Las Vegas name trademark/domain hunt

[HanSolo]

Wouldn't be surprised if I was the only one continuing to do this but whatever.

Lasvegaslions: PRIVACYDOTLINK CUSTOMER 2350665
lasvegassilverknights: Moniker Privacy Services
lasvegasperegrines: Moniker Privacy Services
lasvegasneonknights: Robert Hillsman
lasvegasknights: Matthew Sommers
(these names are public entities at this point and can be viewed by anyone who uses Whois so I don't think I'm infringing on privacy by sharing their names)
lasvegasknightshockey: David Barth
LasVegasAces: MGM Entertainment (a small part of me hopes this is in conjuncture with Foley and the league and they make the one feasible exception to the no gambling references rule)
Lasvegasthunderbirds: Giordano Theatre and Events Center
Lasvegastbirds: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
lasvegasthunderbirdshockey: no domains found
lasvegasstealth: Namespro.ca PrivateWHOIS
lasvegasdesertknights: Moniker Privacy Services
lasvegasnighthawks: Black Knights Financial
lasvegasredhawks: Black Knights Financial
lasvegasdeserthawks: Black Knights Financial
(just for reference)
lasvegaswranglers: PERFECT PRIVACY, LLC
lasvegasnights: Ron Priore, Megagame INC
lasvegasblacknights: Joseph Pedulla
lasvegasowls: Dan Trask, Trask Holdings
lasvegasnightowls: Edward Dorville
lasvegascavalry: No domains found.
lasvegasoutlaws: HugeDomains.com
lasvegasbandits: Hugedomains.com
lasvegasscorpions: Russell Hedland, Las Vegas Pest Control (that one should've been obvious)
lasvegaswhiteknights: no domains found
lasvegasdarkknights: Robert Strazynski
lasvegaslegion: No domains found
lasvegasaliens: NICOLE A
lasvegsassilverfoxes: No domains found
lasvegasfalcons: Bianca something who cares
lasvegasdesertfalcons: No domains found
lasvegasscorpionshockey: No domains found
lasvegascavaliers: PRIVACYDOTLINK CUSTOMER 2350641 (interesting that Cavalry was not bought but this was)
lasvegasheat: Peter Maksymec
lasvegaslights: Silver Spring
lasvegaspaladins: No domains found
lasvegashorsemen: No domains found
lasvegascaballeros: No domains found duh
lasvegasgladiators: PRIVACYDOTLINK CUSTOMER 2350632
lasvegaswarriors: This Domain For Sale Worldwide 3392225132
lasvegasspartans: Ann Field
lasvegasvultures: Lorraine Cooper
Lasvegasvillains: Larry Farrauto
lasvegasvampires: Tim Watters
lasvegasratpack: HugeDomains.com
lasvegasrats: DAVID BERTUCH
lasvegasvipers: Francois Veilleux
lasvegascobras: Registration Private, Domains By Proxy, LLC
lasvegasvenom: Registration Private, Domains By Proxy, LLC
lasvegasneon: Domain Admin, epromote
lasvegassidewinders: james benedik
lasvegascowboys: Peter Maksymec
lasvegasgoldknights: no domains found
lasvegasminers: Tim Watters
lasvegaseagles: Brian Bidadi
lasvegasredknights: no domains found
lasvegasblueknights: no domains found
lasvegasgreenknights: no domains found
lasvegasgreyknights: no domains found
lasvegasthunder: NameFind LLC
lasvegaslegionnaires: no domains found
lasvegasdeserteagles: no domains found
lasvegasdesertfalcons: no domains found
lasvegasjousters: no domains found
lasvegasjokers: Dinn Mann
lasvegasguardians: no domains found
lasvegasheroes: Lyle Brennan
lasvegaswarknights: no domains found
lasvegasknightowls: Dan Trask, Trask Holdings
lvknights: Matthew Sommers
vegasknights: domain registrant, org (interesting)
lvlions: Lynn Valley Lions
vegaslions: NextEngine Ventures, LLC
lvlionshockey: nodomainsfound
lasvegassandknights: Namespro.ca PrivateWHOIS
lvgoldenknights.com Moniker Privacy Services
lvperegrines.com Namespro.ca privacyWHOIS
vegasperegrines.com some guy
lvblackknights: Direct Privacy
lvsilverknights: Moniker Privacy Services


Current Vegas trademarks

Las Vegas Silver Knights
Las Vegas Desert Knights
Las Vegas Golden Knights

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[BattleBorn]

And just for reference:

Black Knight Financial Services: A company that Foley serves as CEO of along with Fidelity National.
Moniker Privacy: A privacy service provided by the domain registry company named Moniker, who registered NHL.com.
People's names: Publicly available through domain registration services, and in most cases the name of the person that owns/registered the domain.
MGM: Part owner of T-Mobile Arena and Las Vegas resort conglomerate.

Privacy companies serve to protect the identity of the owner of a domain. Usually they're trying to avoid telemarketing/email marketing that is associated with new domain registrations. In most cases, it's safe to assume if the domain is registered under a privacy service the ultimate owner doesn't want to be found. This can keep people like us from knowing who registered the domain if they want to keep it private (like if Foley picked that name) but it also makes it difficult for people to contact the owner if they're looking to purchase the domain. If you purchased a domain with the hopes of selling it to Foley or the team, you likely wouldn't use a privacy service.

 

[flpanthers10]

would it honestly be so costly to buy the rights for Knights in Canada? I mean, how much is a OHL team really going to ask for? I kinda have my heart of just Knights now.

 

[BattleBorn]

would it honestly be so costly to buy the rights for Knights in Canada? I mean, how much is a OHL team really going to ask for? I kinda have my heart of just Knights now.

It could get a little difficult. When you hit someone up to use one of their trademarks you'll usually have permission (or a license) from them to do so. These agreements don't generally last in perpetuity and have an expiration date.

If you're Foley and you're going to spend millions of dollars developing the Knights brand in the NHL you don't want to have to go back to London every 5-10 years to renegotiate use of the name. Further, London (or the owner of the trademark, which I assume is London or London's ownership team) can limit the ways in which the Las Vegas team could use the name, which isn't optimal for Foley.

Likewise, London likely doesn't want to be in a position where they can't go back to the Las Vegas team and hit them up for more money like Texas A&M does with the Seattle Seahawks (or to control the use of the trademark so as to not damage A&M's trademark) every few years.

They could likely get a large payout from Foley for the team name, but they'd likely have to relinquish ownership of the trademark to Foley and change their name which likely isn't too appealing for them considering they've been the London Knights for over half a century.

 

[HanSolo]

I'm still thinking that the three trademarked Knights names are too obvious too soon. I think a Knights name is still possible but I have my doubts it's one of those three.

 

[VanIslander]

lasvegassilverknights: Moniker Privacy Services
lasvegasperegrines: Moniker Privacy Services
lasvegasdesertknights: Moniker Privacy Services
lasvegasnighthawks: Black Knights Financial
lasvegasredhawks: Black Knights Financial
lasvegasdeserthawks: Black Knights Financial
Las Vegas Silver Knights
Las Vegas Desert Knights
Las Vegas Golden Knights

Some kind of Knight or some kind of Hawk.... I can live with either.

 

[flpanthers10]

I'm hoping for Silver Knights myself, I could live with Golden Knights. I wonder if Golden Knights was selected because of the US Army Parachute demostration team that has the same name?

 

[LadyStanley]

Posted in other thread about lvsilverknights.com domain by Moniker, missing from OP.

 

[HanSolo]

Added

 

[BattleBorn]

Some guy on twitter just said he owns lasvegasdesertknights.com, which is a Moniker Privacy name on the list.

Either he's lying or we might have to move the Moniker connection down a little.

I'm not going to embed the tweet since it's just some random guy, but it's east enough to find.

 

[HanSolo]

Does it matter? Did the same guy also file trademarks for Desert Knights, Silver Knights, and Golden Knights? Cause I'm pretty sure Foley confirmed those

Here's the tweet regardless



He says and others, so at best if he's telling the truth it casts doubt on every Moniker Privacy Services domain name but wouldn't account for the three trademark filings, unless the Moniker names were never Foley purchases and purely by coincidence those three trademark names were released as red herrings. Which again, I firmly believe to be a strong possibility. Especially with the NHL jersey design guy scoffing at the recent press releases, and NHL.com coming out to report on the three trademark filings. If the NHL is working closely in conjuncture with Vegas on this process I can't see them purposefully exposing the final name by way of three public trademarks way before the final reveal. How many big moments does the NHL get to introduce the identity of a brand new team? Very few. That reveal will be an irreversible part of NHL history. Why soften that impact by putting out a 1/3 chance of a final name out early? Honestly, it feels like the three Knight names being released to the public were very much done on purpose. Foley is a little too vocal about the whole Knights idea. The NHL possibly spoiling the name way out from the actual reveal...I've actually gotten to the point where I strongly doubt that any of Desert, Silver, or Golden Knights will be the final name.

If I'm being generous then the Silver/Desert/Golden Knight names carry about as much weight as Southern California Raiders, or San Diego Raiders, or Las Vegas Raiders, or the San Antonio Raiders trademarks. Because in all honesty, a trademark really doesn't indicate a new team identity has been finalized. I would even go so far as to say that this team is so out of left field that this intentional misdirection is probably being done to hype the actual reveal. Vegas fans and neutral fans are getting uneasy in their anticipation to the point where even a domain registry like Sand Knights (which may be the worst one yet) makes everyone go nuts. Reebok needs to get cracking and finalize this concept so we can have a ****ing reveal already.

 

[BattleBorn]

Does it matter? Did the same guy also file trademarks for Desert Knights, Silver Knights, and Golden Knights? Cause I'm pretty sure Foley confirmed those

Here's the tweet regardless

They were definitely registered with an intent to use by the league's trademark attorney with Black Knight Sports and Entertainment as the owner. This guy's claiming his domain will supersede that, but I don't see how.

Plus, the team could easily use some other variation of the name as the domain. lasvegasdesertknights.com is long as hell anyways. Either way, I hope this guy purchases every crappy team name domain to make it difficult.

 

[HanSolo]

I'm still gonna say the three knight names are red herrings. I have a tough time believing the NHL would soften the impact of a new team's identity reveal, a historic moment for the league, by spoiling the name by putting out the trademark info. I just can't see it.

I might have had an easier time believing in the names before NHL.com dropped the article but if they're getting involved I think they're intentionally attempting to mislead EVERYONE. Not just Vegas fans.

 

[BattleBorn]

I've often been accused of being overly ready to believe a conspiracy when it comes to the hockey team. However, in this case I'm 100% with you. These are just too bad and paying $10,000 or so to cover yourself for a good reveal is a good investment.

Then again, it could all be real. Who knows?

 

[GKG18]

I hope that squatter gets jack diddly for his wasted efforts. Cyber squatters are a scourge. Or a bot. Ask me how I know.

 

[BattleBorn]

I hope that squatter gets jack diddly for his wasted efforts. Cyber squatters are a scourge. Or a bot. Ask me how I know.

I own a couple hockey related domains, mostly just to make sure people with cruddy intentions didn't get to them. I'll take a few bucks or a signed jersey for them, though.

Otherwise I'll use them for other stuff.

 

[HanSolo]

I've often been accused of being overly ready to believe a conspiracy when it comes to the hockey team. However, in this case I'm 100% with you. These are just too bad and paying $10,000 or so to cover yourself for a good reveal is a good investment.

Then again, it could all be real. Who knows?

I'm at the point where I'd be stunned that the NHL so intentionally spoiled the reveal this far out from the presser.

 

[powerstuck]

They were definitely registered with an intent to use by the league's trademark attorney with Black Knight Sports and Entertainment as the owner. This guy's claiming his domain will supersede that, but I don't see how.

Plus, the team could easily use some other variation of the name as the domain. lasvegasdesertknights.com is long as hell anyways. Either way, I hope this guy purchases every crappy team name domain to make it difficult.

Just to point out that all official webadresses for NHL are teamname.nhl.com

So...no matter how long lasvegasdesertknights.com is...it will redirect to desertknights.nhl.com (in this example).

I'm at the point where I'd be stunned that the NHL so intentionally spoiled the reveal this far out from the presser.

They most likely didn't have a choice.
Before people who looked those things were ''noobs'', now such topics reach 1000s of posts on well known hockey forums.
I know it sucks spoiling it, but its better to spoil it for maybe 100 LV fans on HFboards than to have a troll redirect lasvegasdesertknights.com to some porn website or other dumb thing.

 

[BattleBorn]

Just to point out that all official webadresses for NHL are teamname.nhl.com

So...no matter how long lasvegasdesertknights.com is...it will redirect to desertknights.nhl.com (in this example).

For sure, that's been brought up before. However, when it comes to ads, literature, etc. you're not going to put knights.nhl.com as the address. The site will be hosted there, but you likely won't see it out in the wild on public stuff.

lakings.com
chicagoblackhawks.com
calgaryflames.com

They all go to the .nhl.com site, but they're the "vanity" domain for literature.

 

[HanSolo]

Just to point out that all official webadresses for NHL are teamname.nhl.com

So...no matter how long lasvegasdesertknights.com is...it will redirect to desertknights.nhl.com (in this example).



They most likely didn't have a choice.
Before people who looked those things were ''noobs'', now such topics reach 1000s of posts on well known hockey forums.
I know it sucks spoiling it, but its better to spoil it for maybe 100 LV fans on HFboards than to have a troll redirect lasvegasdesertknights.com to some porn website or other dumb thing.

That's why I say I'm 90% sure it's not one of those. I just think it's way too early. They don't need trademarks to print apparel they need them to sell. And if they're not selling till mid October and they very publicly file these trademarks early with their current history of misdirection...look I might have been with you on "they had no choice" but NHL reporting on the trademarks just seems fishy. To me it seems like they want these names in people's head so that when a different name gets revealed, it's a big surprise. This way, many people in the world know what the name is probably gonna be and I don't see why they'd do that. It's not just Foley's reveal. It's the nhl's newest baby. It's historic for them? Why would they diminish the impact of that by going out of their way to spoil the name to the entire hockey watching public? They could've just let it go under the radar to everyone but the select few who care.

Could it still happen? Sure. But I have strong doubts.

 

[0point1]

For sure, that's been brought up before. However, when it comes to ads, literature, etc. you're not going to put knights.nhl.com as the address. The site will be hosted there, but you likely won't see it out in the wild on public stuff.

lakings.com
chicagoblackhawks.com
calgaryflames.com

They all go to the .nhl.com site, but they're the "vanity" domain for literature.

Interestingly the Kings do not own LosAngelesKings.com. That guy hoping for a huge payday for the Las Vegas names will probably get nothing.

Also, the way domain dispute thing works he could easily lose his domain if he puts anything hockey related on it.

 

[HanSolo]

So Foley admitted to misleading us. Imagine that.

 

[BattleBorn]

So Foley admitted to misleading us. Imagine that.

There are people taking it as some sort of betrayal out there. I don't get it.

Beside the fact that this should have been 90% done at least a year ago, it's a little frustrating. It is what it is, though (I hate when people say that.)

You're willing to spend money figuring out the practice facility, why not spend a few hundred buying tons of domain names, doing tons of trademark searches, and having your pick of the litter?