Larry Brooks attacks both the NHL and NHLPA

[RangerBoy]

Both sides lack leadership

THE most absurd part of the NHL's refusal to increase its hard cap to $45M is that all of the critical underlying levers contained in Saturday's DOA proposal to the union would have made it virtually impossible for any team to hit that payroll ceiling, let alone every team, or even a representative number of them.
Someone on management's side — and not an incompetent such as Doug MacLean or a nincompoop like Ted Leonsis or a professional crybaby like Kevin Lowe — needs to explain why clubs wouldn't be able to suppress their payrolls operating under a CBA that contains, a) a 24-percent rollback on salaries and renewals; b) a 75-percent qualifier; and, c) team salary arbitration rights, including a one-year deferral that would compel the athlete filing to play the following season for a five-percent raise

http://www.nypost.com/sports/40920.htm

DUMB(NHL) AND DUMBER(NHLPA).It's one big [mess].These guys have to get their acts together.The PA really has no position.They seem to make it.CAP,NO CAP,CAP,NO LINKAGE,LINKAGE ONLY IF THE REVENUE INCREASES.No wonder why there is no season

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[Brent Burns Beard]

b) a 75-percent qualifier;

that wasnt a PA offer, in fact from what the reports say, it was one of the reasons talks broke down on Saturday.

NHL threw the 75% offer on the table and the PA got their nose out of joint.

they wanted 100% QO's. hey, math question here .. whats 100% of nothing ?

dr

 

[Levitate]

they wanted 100% QO's. hey, math question here .. whats 100% of nothing ?

hrm, so to make an extremely loose analogy here...if you didn't have a job and someone offered you $2 an hour, then you better take it cuz it's better than the $0 you're making right?

like i said, extremely loose...but the general idea being there are occasions where it's not in your best interest to make a deal just based on it being more than what you're have right now at this exact moment

 

[Egil]

The NHL used the system from its last proposal, the PA wanted the system from ITS last proposal. The players needed to cave on the cap about a week earlier than they did, and when they did cave, they needed to lock Goodenow in a room with Gary to get the deal done. The time for show was over once the PA conceded the cap. After that point, this needed serious, serious talks, and Goodenow seems unwilling to partake in that.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

hrm, so to make an extremely loose analogy here...if you didn't have a job and someone offered you $2 an hour, then you better take it cuz it's better than the $0 you're making right?

like i said, extremely loose...but the general idea being there are occasions where it's not in your best interest to make a deal just based on it being more than what you're have right now at this exact moment

yup ... its not like i support the bully tactics of the NHL, however at some point in time you (the PA) have take your medicine.

and your analogy isnt very good. its not a difference of 2 or 0. we are talking about high six figures/low seven figures or 0.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

that wasnt a PA offer, in fact from what the reports say, it was one of the reasons talks broke down on Saturday.

NHL threw the 75% offer on the table and the PA got their nose out of joint.

they wanted 100% QO's. hey, math question here .. whats 100% of nothing ?

dr

DR, do you find it all ironic that we are very close in agreement with what we post regarding the lock-out? What's the odds of that.

What is hard for everyone to understand about Saturday's meeting. It never even got to discussing $'s because the owners explained the details of the offer, which were SUBSTANTIALLY different that what the union wanted (upward linkage, etc.). From what Saskin said in his after meeting press release, it was almost like the PA wasn't aware of the details of the owners proposal they rejected.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

DR, do you find it all ironic that we are very close in agreement with what we post regarding the lock-out? What's the odds of that.

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no surprise, you are a rational poster..... although, you better be careful, you wouldnt want anyone else to think you think like me.... i am after all villianized as a PA lackey and been accused of being a player or agent.

lol ... RIP NHL.

dr