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The Iconoclast said:
Quebec Nordiques.
Colorado Rockies
Atlanta Flames
Minnesota North Stars
Winnipeg Jets
Hartford Whalers
... speaking of temporary ... so are the teams.
The Iconoclast said:
Vlad The Impaler said:That's a gross and inaccurate description.
But suppose your fantasy world was 100% true. My question would be: Is what the owners are trying to accomplish a bad thing?
Newsguyone said:First of all, I hate the idea of gauranteed profits.
My inlaws have their own business. They work day in, day out, a lot harder than some fat ass moron like Bill Wirtz, and they don't get to have profits gauranteed.
Newsguyone said:What this tells me is that if you're some rich ******* with $200 Million to spend, you get to buy into a risk-free business.
Well isn't that nice?
Newsguyone said:Meanwhile the rest of us work and hope we don't lose our shirt.
Newsguyone said:It seems to me that the owners put the entire problem on the shoulders of the players.
No talk of revenue sharing. No responsibility. No accountability.
Newsguyone said:But in the end, I'm looking for a fair solution.
And that isn't what we've seen.
Newsguy one - at least you are here you are one of the only pro player guys that still post regularly in this slot. Wild thing, scared sens fan, bicycle repairman they are far more scarce. I said i was not coming back to this board around February because i was sick of arguing that there was no other option than the players seeing the reality of the NHL's financial landscape and agreeing to a cap and many more concessions. What still pisses me off is that neither the players or the owners are mentioning the fans. What are they going to do for us when this is done? There had better be a very thick "to do" list for both sides. I will be very pleased when hockey comes back and it will be coming back in good financial shape which i thought was the common sense thing to do anyway.Newsguyone said:Yes.
And the method they used to accomplish their goal was just as bad.
This was not about saving the sport, or saving the league.
This was about a system that capped costs and basically gauranteed profits. It's also going give owners a huge boost in franchise value, IMO.
First of all, I hate the idea of gauranteed profits.
My inlaws have their own business. They work day in, day out, a lot harder than some fat ass moron like Bill Wirtz, and they don't get to have profits gauranteed.
What this tells me is that if you're some rich ******* with $200 Million to spend, you get to buy into a risk-free business.
Well isn't that nice?
Meanwhile the rest of us work and hope we don't lose our shirt.
It seems to me that the owners put the entire problem on the shoulders of the players.
No talk of revenue sharing. No responsibility. No accountability.
I mean, to be quite honest, I really don't feel much sympathy for any NHL player. They've all got it very good, with or without a salary cap.
But in the end, I'm looking for a fair solution.
And that isn't what we've seen.
victor said:We will see how guaranteed the profits are if the fans choose not to show up - at the end of the day, nothing is guaranteed.?
SwisshockeyAcademy said:Newsguy one - at least you are here you are one of the only pro player guys that still post regularly in this slot. Wild thing, scared sens fan, bicycle repairman they are far more scarce. I said i was not coming back to this board around February because i was sick of arguing that there was no other option than the players seeing the reality of the NHL's financial landscape and agreeing to a cap and many more concessions. What still pisses me off is that neither the players or the owners are mentioning the fans. What are they going to do for us when this is done? There had better be a very thick "to do" list for both sides. I will be very pleased when hockey comes back and it will be coming back in good financial shape which i thought was the common sense thing to do anyway.
Larry Brooks? He falls into that tier of common columnists that are very wrong on occassion, have the odd scoop but mainly just print stuff we all already know. He is neither a great journalist nor a credit to the game. Frankly i'm sick of him, sick of those like him and sick of this lockout nonsense. It will all have been worth it if it never happens again.
when balanced against the cost, i still dont support the scorched earth tactic of the NHL.Vlad The Impaler said:... My question would be: Is what the owners are trying to accomplish a bad thing?
Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
It's horsetripe. And you know it.
Every single owner will vastly increase the value of their franchise. You watch.
It's kind of like owning a big piece of property off the highway that's zoned for farming, and then joining the Zoning Borad of Appeals and getting it rezoned to commercial.
Every owner stands to gain tens of millions because of this deal.
And they''l either sell or cash out, or use the equity to buy more stuff.
This is about really rich people getting richer.
It has nothing to do with hockey.
Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
Newsguyone said:Every single owner will vastly increase the value of their franchise. You watch.
Newsguyone said:Every owner stands to gain tens of millions because of this deal.
And they''l either sell or cash out, or use the equity to buy more stuff.
Newsguyone said:This is about really rich people getting richer.
Newsguyone said:It has nothing to do with hockey.
Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
It's horsetripe. And you know it.
Every single owner will vastly increase the value of their franchise. You watch.
It's kind of like owning a big piece of property off the highway that's zoned for farming, and then joining the Zoning Borad of Appeals and getting it rezoned to commercial.
Every owner stands to gain tens of millions because of this deal.
And they''l either sell or cash out, or use the equity to buy more stuff.
This is about really rich people getting richer.
It has nothing to do with hockey.
100% right.Newsguyone said:This is about really rich people getting richer.
It has nothing to do with hockey.
So we should have just left it as is then. It was working so well. I acknowledged your presence in the face of criticism but your concern for the size of the owner's wallets is odd. Why do you care? Its far better we have the game in good financial shape and a reasonably level playing field. The NHL and other sports are not part of the capitalist system you are going on about. They are thirty seperate businesses under one umbrella so they do have to answer to a higher power. In the real business world everyone is on their own save for answering to government regulations. Fixed costs in the NHL should mean more stability for all teams and fans should not have to fear having their teams ripped out of their city and their hearts torn to shreds.Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
It's horsetripe. And you know it.
Every single owner will vastly increase the value of their franchise. You watch.
It's kind of like owning a big piece of property off the highway that's zoned for farming, and then joining the Zoning Borad of Appeals and getting it rezoned to commercial.
Every owner stands to gain tens of millions because of this deal.
And they''l either sell or cash out, or use the equity to buy more stuff.
This is about really rich people getting richer.
It has nothing to do with hockey.
Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
It's horsetripe. And you know it.
Every single owner will vastly increase the value of their franchise. You watch.
It's kind of like owning a big piece of property off the highway that's zoned for farming, and then joining the Zoning Borad of Appeals and getting it rezoned to commercial.
Every owner stands to gain tens of millions because of this deal.
And they''l either sell or cash out, or use the equity to buy more stuff.
This is about really rich people getting richer.
It has nothing to do with hockey.
Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
Newsguyone said:Yes.
And the method they used to accomplish their goal was just as bad.
This was not about saving the sport, or saving the league.
This was about a system that capped costs and basically gauranteed profits. It's also going give owners a huge boost in franchise value, IMO.
First of all, I hate the idea of gauranteed profits.
My inlaws have their own business. They work day in, day out, a lot harder than some fat ass moron like Bill Wirtz, and they don't get to have profits gauranteed.
What this tells me is that if you're some rich ******* with $200 Million to spend, you get to buy into a risk-free business.
Well isn't that nice?
Newsguyone said:But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.
Newsguyone said:Well, that's the thing. Something is guaranteed.
Costs.
It's ridiculous.
You talk about live in the capitalist system.
But my costs aren't fixed. I can't tell the bank, oh, you get 18 percent of my income, no matter how much I make.