Razamanaz
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Laine a go go to guy like a deadly blue-line-dancer-deadly-scorer and me like a lot as a fellow Finn. Well, what can I say more except!? Rock on Laine!
A month ago he was not worth any more than Ehlers, based on his 5v5 P/60 and defensive play.
I agree that there is a recency bias. I recall when many people on this board were saying we'd need to pay Buff 10M$. Laine is amazing and I'm a huge fan, but the numbers being thrown around are way high. Furthermore, I don't think we can pay any one player 10M$ and still be a contender. If that money is better spend elsewhere, then I would do it.
How many snipers and offensive forwards are defensive juggernauts. His defensive game is fine and compared to other offensive players is at par. Also, his defensive play has not lead to as many goals against compared to the rest of the forwards on the team. Therefore trying to talk him down by stating his defensive game is average to bring is salary down is ridiculous.What you described sounds very much like someone who is average defensively. Makes mistakes but has the basics down. Ehlers, Connor etc are pretty average as well.
Less than a month ago he was tenth among regular forwards in ESP/60, unable to drive the play, making numerous defensive mistakes and had the acceleration of a supertanker. It's all there if you go back and read the threads...and at the time, some of his staunchest defenders were wanting Buff put on an ice flow. Now both of them are playing great, which just goes to show how many great players have their highs and lows. But offering $80M to a teenager based on a high is a very dangerous proposition.There really isn't any recency bias imo. At the end of this year he will have back to back 35 plus goal seasons and a career ppg around .9. Not sure why people are bringing up Ehlers as his accomplishments when he signed his extension weren't in the same stratosphere as Laine's. Expecting Laine to come in around Ehlers deal is just not realistic as he's shown to be in a different class.
Also people are throwing numbers like they mean nothing. 2M per year discount is 16M on full term. Not even wealthy people donate those kinds of sums carelessly. His agent also gets a share and he has all the incentive to make sure Patrik signs a smart deal, which is as much money as the Jets are willing to give.He has had more goals than any other player since entering the league as an 18-year old. You guys are severely underselling him right now. Let me repeat that, he’s produced the most goals in the entire league since he entered it. How can those numbers be way high? I really hope he takes a team-friendly deal but what you guys are saying is a bit ridiculous.
Less than a month ago he was tenth among regular forwards in ESP/60, unable to drive the play, making numerous defensive mistakes and had the acceleration of a supertanker. It's all there if you go back and read the threads...and at the time, some of his staunchest defenders were wanting Buff put on an ice flow. Now both of them are playing great, which just goes to show how many great players have their highs and lows. But offering $80M to a teenager based on a high is a very dangerous proposition.
agree. Kane and Toews $21M salary have pretty much relegated the hawks to mediocrity for the next few years. No one player should eat that much (10M+) of the cap
Eichel is the precedent for Matthews and Laine, I think.Kane and Toews' mega extensions were signed after they had already won two Cups, and they kicked in the season after they won their third. Hawks fans shouldn't be complaining about those deals no matter what they look like now. They're biting the hands that brought them three Cups in six years and if the team is in cap hell now its too bad, that's the price you pay for success in the cap world. Same goes for the Kings and Kopitar's eight figure AAV that he got after two Cup wins (Brown and Gaborik made bank too).
Problem with teams today is they're paying stars champion money before anything is won. McDavid at least has some individual hardware to help somewhat justify his big contract. If Laine were to win the Rocket at 19 then the Jets will probably be looking at an eight figure deal also. The precedent has already been set and elite talent comes at an elite price.
Eichel got too much.Eichel is the precedent for Matthews and Laine, I think.
No one is offering him a contract based on a 10 to 15 game sample size, not sure why you are bringing his hot streak up.....
You said earlier "there really isn't any recency bias". But there's always recency bias around here!!
It seemed to me that there were a lot of armchair GMs offering huge amounts of money, and placing our franchise at some risk, based in part on a hot streak. That's not how I would operate.
Try this instead:
"We like you a lot, Patrik, and you seem happy here. We think you have Ovechkin-like potential, but our team--your team-- comes first. We think you can be part of a SC contender for years to come, but we need to keep Nikki, Scheifele, Wheeler, Connor and Helle here too; maybe Trouba too, and maybe even offer Paul Stastny a UFA contract. You sort of like playing with him don't you? Well, we can't keep him and also pay you like McDavid. So, how about we offer you 60 million dollars over 8 years, 20 million over the first 2 years. Is that enough to keep you and your family happy?
Think about it....what, you've thought about it already?? You just want to play on a winner, score goals and play PlayStation with your good buds.....OK, great, sign here....."
I'm gonna post this valuable resource for Chevy & Co. right here:
Amish Negotiations Settle Conflicts [journal article review] | Peaceful Societies
Looks like steady negotiation without conflict is the way to go:
The common element among [the Amish/star winger Patrik Laine] in settling disputes is that they are nearly as opposed to confrontations in courtrooms as they are to fighting in any other way. They are strongly opposed to hostilities of any kind, so they try to find other ways to handle contentious issues.
Like it or not the bar has been set for high end RFA’s It is the current market and you can’t ignore those deals. They are the comparable now