LA Times: About a dozen items remain, but just language

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  1. ColoradoHockeyFan

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    http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/la-sp-nhl8jul08,1,151940.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl

    Since this is in today's paper, this would have been the status as of last night. So it sounds like they're literally just down to fleshing out the language on a few remaining items, and that was before whatever work they are putting in during today's meetings. It seems reasonable to believe that they could have this wrapped up over the weekend in order to present the owners exec committee with a document on Monday.
     
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    The lottery for this year's entry draft will give every team at least one chance at the No. 1 pick, Sidney Crosby. Teams that missed the playoffs each of the previous three seasons will have three chances, a source said.

    Alrighty then! That works for me.
     
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    Agreed...that is good news!
     
  4. It's good news for the fans of pathetic franchises that should be fully loaded up on young talent and have a ton of cap room to by superstar UFAs at 1992-era prices.
     
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    However they will only be able to keep them so long ..

    Todays TSN article says

    "The age of unrestricted free agency will remain 31 this summer but will gradually be brought down to 27 or 28 by the 2008."

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=129964
     
  6. blitzkriegs

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    What is a pathetic franchise? Please enlighten me...

    In the last 5 years, every team in the league has made the playoffs except NYR, FL, and CLB (expansion team 5 yrs ago). So, NYR started to rebuild 16 games at the close of last season, FL has been rebuilding for 3 years, and CLB IS building as an expansion team should. Now, we have ONE original six franchise that you can call pathetic...

    Where are those pathetic franchises?
     
  7. I think he's talking about Detroit circa 1970-1991 or so.

    I think.
     
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    WOW! Amazing new news, the UFA age will be brought gradually down. Thanks for showing us this brand new information.
     
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    I'm surprised no one has said it yet, but after the "agreement in principle" crap why does the LA times have any credibility? Seriously, out of sheer embarassment they should keep their mouth shut for a couple days at least.
     
  10. Actually, i'd say 1970-1986 or so.
    The Wings had some decent years with Demers behind the bench and Yzerman scoring 165 points or so.

    But yeah, by all means, they were a PATHETIC franchise for more than 15 years.

    I've got no problem admitting that.
    They've been the absolute class of the league for the last 15 years, with all due respect to Jersey and Colorado/Quebec.
     
  11. Phoenix.
    Nashville.
    Atlanta.
    Florida.
    Carolina.
    Pittsburgh.
    Rangers (any team with these resources would be great with decent management)
    Buffalo
    Chicago.
     
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    In principle they HAVE agreed. It's just the legalese that needs sorting out. And even in the "agreed in principle" article Elliot stated that the '04-'05 contracts were still in question.

    Read more than the headline. All it was was an optimistic choice of words, but not inaccurate.
     
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    What makes these franchises pathetic? Enlighten us what makes a team pathetic and another team not pathetic.
     
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    I'll give you CHI and the NYR. Not sure why you would say that BUF is a pathetic team. They are going about building a team the right way.

    So franchises that are growing the fan-base in a non-traditional markets are pathetic? Or do you think that "super" markets started out that way? A franchise like ATL should have developed an fanbase in 5 years without ever making the play-off's when probably less than 1/2 of 1% of the people have ever had the chance to play ice hockey?

    You don't have to have a $70M payroll to be a good hockey team. You were lucky enough to have an owner that was willing to do anything to win. Unfortunately, Illitch didn't have 29 other billionare friends looking to prove how big their johnson is by having a franchise that has to make the Stanley Cup finals to break even.
     
  15. Yeah, I'd say that those franchises are pathetic.
    Look, if I decide to become a world class sprinter tomorrow, I'm gonna look pretty slow compared to the franchises that have been in the game for 20 years.
    I left Columbus off the list, because I can see real progress in the organization.
    I considered taking Nashville off the list, but come on. A 21 million budget and they barely break even despite a playoff round? Growing or not, that is pathetic.
    Carolina? Perhaps the single most stupid franchise move in major pro sports history.
    I love all the young talent in Florida, but that franchise goes through management employees like I go through toilet paper after a few spicy burritos and a pitcher of beer.
    Buffalo got hurt by a crooked owner. Weren't they going through bankruptcy? What's attendance been like? The Mike Peca/Dominik Hasek/Tedd Nolan controversies are stains on the franchise. That's not just rebuilding. That's gross ineptitude. That's a franchise that completely lost its direction for a few years.
    They might be on the right path again. But they've got to move up a bit.
    Phoenix? Good Lord, I loved the WInnipeg jets. I loved them. But has this franchise ever gone beyond the first round?
    Pittsburgh? They're owned by their star player? What else needs to be said.

    Look, I remember when Detroit and Toronto stunk up the basement of the Norris Division.
    And they were absolutely pathetic.
    Detroit kept signing old, washed up stars like Salming and Robinson.
    Toronto had Jiri Chyra in goal.
    They didn't just go through rebuilding. They sucked.

    With a salary cap, many teams should be able to pull themselves out of suckitude.

    And that's my point.
    After years of mostly crappy finishes and high draft choices, shouldn't these teams be in PRIME POSITION now, with a ton of young, cheap talentm lots of cap room, and a ton of UFAs flooding the market?
     
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    I agree, im not buying ANYTHING from this source. Waste of a post IMO.

    LA Times have been added to the LIST OF NOT TO TRUST sources.
     
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    I swear to you that the LA Times is a solid sports newspaper, if they reported something about hockey you got believe them.
     
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    Well, after yesterdays report i think ill ignore them till the lockout is over. They posted a pretty big thing yesterday and was very off.
     
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    They were not off at all. Totally consistent. The CBA in principle as far as anyone knows was agreed to with the one stumbling block of the '04-'05 contract year still up in the air (which isn't a CBA issue). Today it was reported that the '04-'05 contract issue has been resolved (the year rolls off but players get a credit for a year of service) and it's just down to putting it on paper in legal terms.

    If people would have read the entire article and didn't freak out at the headline and then freak out again because the league and 'PA denied it (everyone always denies things even when they are true, trade rumors anyone?) this wouldn't be an issue.

    Everything from that article you are taking exception to is falling into place.
     
  20. Brent Burns Beard

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    you forgot EDM .... there is no reason they couldnt have done what OTT has done, they went a different path and it didnt work out.

    CGY is one of the biggest losers in this cap, but you guys all laugh when I say it. As a Calgarian, I hope to be wrong over the long term, but its my projection as of today.

    DR
     
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    Considering the LA Times Writer is going to be in the HHOF I'd give that credibility.
     
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    I agree that Calgary could very well be a big loser in all of this.

    They now have to make the assumption that Kiprusoff isn't a flash in the pan as we have seen a few other goalies do in the past few NHL seasons.

    They lose all the momentum of their playoff run and the chemistry of the team will be completely shot.
     
  23. I wouldn't say Buffalo is thaaaat bad. They were contenders for 3 or so years but they made a few mistakes which prevented them from going along seamlessly. If a couple out of Pyatt, Connolly, Afinogenov, Dumont, and Biron had not busted, chances are Buffalo would of been fighting for the 5th or 6th seed year in and year out. Chicago and New York are pivotal markets and that alone takes the "pathetic" tag off of them. It goes without saying that they are both pathetically managed franchises, though. I have a good feeling about Atlanta. They have the talent on the team to become a powerhouse, and the market is big enough for them to turn a decent profit. However, they're the type of them where the slightest decline in performence would almost certainly correlate with a heavy loss in attendance.

    As for the other teams: Pittsburgh, Carolina, Florida, Anaheim, and Nashville... I don't want to hear another peep out of their fans regarding the lottery. They're the primary reasons why this CBA wasn't signed back in February. The NHL doesn't need them to survive and they're practically the redheaded stepchildren of the league who still complain after getting a brand new shiny red bicycle. :shakehead
     
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    after what happened to the Expos in Montreal and why they could not compete...you would think someone who cheers for Montreal would have some damned sense....what a shame
     
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    The fans in Atlanta are just looking for a whiff of success, which hasn't really happened in the five years' of the team's existence. How anyone can label a city of 5+ million people a bad market is beyond me. Just look at the Falcons. They stunk forever. In fact, in their 39-year existence, they've still never had back-to-back winning seasons. But now, with new ownership and Michael Vick and a trip to the NFC Championship Game, they're the toughest ticket in town.

    The same thing will happen to the Thrashers if they get off to a quick start. If we'd had Heatley and Snyder for the whole season last time around, they would have made the playoffs (which they only missed by 8 points). Even despite the tragedy, they were selling out games well into December when they were up 8 points on the Lightning. Then the collapse hit, and AOL was still in the protracted process of selling the team and didn't want to spend their money to upgrade the roster, so Don Waddell's hands were tied.

    With the addition of Lehtonen, Coburn, Modry, Havelid, and a full year of Heatley (and Crosby?!?!?), the league better watch out. This will be a breakout year. The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
     
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