Player Discussion Kyle Turris

Tuna99

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Chances of getting a solid upgrade on either Turris or Brassard are slim to nil. The Sens have great center depth, just no high end guys.

Add a top winger and hope for the best.

if we had a Radulov type that could handle play down low it would change out entire top 6.
 

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What's the infatuation with Lando? I mean, he's a good player, but he won't be the one to help our PP that's for sure, and I imagine you'd have to pay a premium for him.
 

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Far easier to get him big wingers who can create space.

Turris is a very solid player, that he has shortcomings shouldn't mean we can't win with him.

Agreed, he needs better linemates. His most common wingers this season were Dzingel & Ryan's corpse.
Then in the playoffs I think he was with Mac & Hoff who are basically as soft as he is
 

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What's the infatuation with Lando? I mean, hee's a good player, but he won't be the one to help our PP that's for sure, and I imagine you'd have to pay a premium for him.

Leadership, Swedish, 2way, Hard nosed player, physical, energizing, young, LW, 60 pts
 

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Landeskog stands in front of the net. Something we don't have while Karlsson, Turris and Hoffman passes the puck 30 times
 

Micklebot

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Landeskog stands in front of the net. Something we don't have while Karlsson, Turris and Hoffman passes the puck 30 times

Actually, Ryan has been pretty good at getting in front of the net to screen the goalie all year. Our problem is typically zone entries and getting set up in the zone. We're certainly guilty of overpassing from time to time as well, but that's pretty low on the list of PP grievances.

Having said that, was Landeskog's net front pressence what propelled the Avs to a sparkling 12.5 PP% this year? The 18.06 last year, or the 14.98 the year before that?
 

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Leadership, Swedish, 2way, Hard nosed player, physical, energizing, young, LW, 60 pts

Leadership, sure, but do we have a need for that? I think our group seems pretty solid in that regard, certainly not somehting I'd over pay for

Swedish... seriously? Go to ikea if you need a swedish fix, I just want the players that will help me win. Nationality is irrelevant

2way. Fine, but again, not something we lack in, what we lack in is high end skill.

Hard nosed, that's at least something we need in the top six, so I'll give you that.

Physical and energizing, well this is just redundant, you're dividing up Hard nosed to make it seem more important

Young, sure.

60 pts; not since 13-14, and that's the only time.

LW, sure but we have Hoffman and MacArthur, Dzingel can fill in too. We get dimishing returns on our players when you have to bump someone down the lineup.

If we're going to pay a premium (like the one you'd have to pay for Landeskog) you do it for an area of need. Landeskog while a great player really doesn't fill any gaping holes.

We need playmaking center who can QB the PP from the halfway with some high end skill. Ideally, he should have some size too or at least be gritty.
 

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I understand the reason everyone is ga-ga over Landeskog. I don't agree with the notion, but I understand it. This fanbase has wanted a big power forward for 15+ years. I'd gladly take him, bu really don't think he is a missing piece.

We need a highend, creative player. Someone like Drouin, or Duchene (really don't understand guys not wanting him, he didn't suddenly turn into a mule this past February, which seems to be the thought here).
 

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I understand the reason everyone is ga-ga over Landeskog. I don't agree with the notion, but I understand it. This fanbase has wanted a big power forward for 15+ years. I'd gladly take him, bu really don't think he is a missing piece.

We need a highend, creative player. Someone like Drouin, or Duchene (really don't understand guys not wanting him, he didn't suddenly turn into a mule this past February, which seems to be the thought here).

I just don't see the point in trading for Duchene when we have Turris and Brassard. We don't need three centers with the same ability while all being on the weaker side.

Ill trade for Drouin, though.
 

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A dman could also fill that role on the PP.

We have Karlsson, it's not working. We need somebody to work some magic from the halfwall like Spezza did. I guess a second Dman might help if the guy has Weber's shot, but I'm not holding my breath.

I understand the reason everyone is ga-ga over Landeskog. I don't agree with the notion, but I understand it. This fanbase has wanted a big power forward for 15+ years. I'd gladly take him, bu really don't think he is a missing piece.

We need a highend, creative player. Someone like Drouin, or Duchene (really don't understand guys not wanting him, he didn't suddenly turn into a mule this past February, which seems to be the thought here).

Yeah, I'd be fine with having Landeskog, but am with you that he's not the missing piece.

Wrt to Drouin, or Duchene, Drouin would be ideal if he were a center, still great as a winger. Duchene I just don't see the creativity/high end playmaking.

I just don't see the point in trading for Duchene when we have Turris and Brassard. We don't need three centers with the same ability while all being on the weaker side.

Ill trade for Drouin, though.

For what it's worth, Duchene is equally adept as a winger, and fantastic at faceoffs. He'd be a solid addition, just would still leave me wanting that PP QB I think.
 
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Leadership, Swedish, 2way, Hard nosed player, physical, energizing, young, LW, 60 pts

He also sustained a hip injury this season that may be chronic. If so, he's the player he was this season which is a 40 point winger who isn't that physical or energizing.
 

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id 100% trade Turris straight up for Duchene

I'd also welcome Drouin with open arms.

but never would i allow us to have a roster of both Duchene and Turris. Perpetual playoffs but nothing more is what will happen if both those guys play major roles on their lines.
 

aragorn

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We have Karlsson, it's not working. We need somebody to work some magic from the halfwall like Spezza did. I guess a second Dman might help if the guy has Weber's shot, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, I'd be fine with having Landeskog, but am with you that he's not the missing piece.

Wrt to Drouin, or Duchene, Drouin would be ideal if he were a center, still great as a winger. Duchene I just don't see the creativity/high end playmaking.

For what it's worth, Duchene is equally adept as a winger, and fantastic at faceoffs. He'd be a solid addition, just would still leave me wanting that PP QB I think.

Why couldn't they move Ryan or Stone to QB the PP on the half wall, both are very good playmakers? In fact, I think they have tried that with Ryan but this team has a tendency of over passing, looking constantly for the perfect play or going through Karlsson too much, it becomes predictable. Finding a #1 centre is going to be pretty difficult, if not impossible & I would guess management will wait for White or Brown to prevail. In the meantime, adding some size & grit throughout their lineup should be a priority. They should consider hiring a PP specialist.
 

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Leadership, sure, but do we have a need for that? I think our group seems pretty solid in that regard, certainly not somehting I'd over pay for

Swedish... seriously? Go to ikea if you need a swedish fix, I just want the players that will help me win. Nationality is irrelevant

2way. Fine, but again, not something we lack in, what we lack in is high end skill.

Hard nosed, that's at least something we need in the top six, so I'll give you that.

Physical and energizing, well this is just redundant, you're dividing up Hard nosed to make it seem more important

Young, sure.

60 pts; not since 13-14, and that's the only time.

LW, sure but we have Hoffman and MacArthur, Dzingel can fill in too. We get dimishing returns on our players when you have to bump someone down the lineup.

If we're going to pay a premium (like the one you'd have to pay for Landeskog) you do it for an area of need. Landeskog while a great player really doesn't fill any gaping holes.

We need playmaking center who can QB the PP from the halfway with some high end skill. Ideally, he should have some size too or at least be gritty.

Swedish is relevant in this case because our young captain of the same age is also Swedish and those 2 I predict would get along great. Not that turris and Karl don't but lando is.....awesome.
Leadership is on ice as well as off ice. He is a HARD player. Opposite of turris which is why I make priority to swap them.
Also....our LWs suck (in comparison to other positions)
 

Sun God Nika

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I love Landeskog more than 95% of the players in the NHL. Not at the cost of Turris tho. I want a #1C, that allows Turris to excel at #2.
 

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There is one big centre who could be available this summer as a UFA & would only cost around $3 mil in salary for a few yrs. Hanzal is not ideal as a #1 centre & probably playing above his pay grade but he would be a transitional piece until one of our young centres emerge & he can be pushed down the roster. Hanzal is 6'6", 230 lbs, experienced & an excellent faceoff guy. He is a good two way defensive forward, he can play centre or the wing, is only 30 yrs old, is a decent skater for a guy his size, he can play up & down the lineup & he had 39 pts last yr so he can chip in offensively especially, if he is playing with Stone & Hoffman.

He would be ideal to match up against any other centre in the league because he is so good defensively & because of his size, strength & faceoff ability. IMO he would improve the team & it wouldn't cost anywhere near what it would cost for Tavares, Duchene, Landeskog or Drouin. Hanzal is exactly the kind of player Paul & Brown could learn from in all aspects of the game, especially Brown who most likely will have to learn to be better defensively. If MacArthur gets hurt again, Dzingel replaces him as he did last yr, Smith moves up & McCormick takes his 4th line LW spot. This allows management to wait for the ideal trade scenario to come along & have the necessary cap space & assets in place to make the right deal or to wait for the young players to mature & begin to contribute at the NHL level.

Hoffman - Hanzal - Stone
MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Burrows
Smith - Pageau - Pyatt/McCormick
 

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There is one big centre who could be available this summer as a UFA & would only cost around $3 mil in salary for a few yrs. Hanzal is not ideal as a #1 centre & probably playing above his pay grade but he would be a transitional piece until one of our young centres emerge & he can be pushed down the roster. Hanzal is 6'6", 230 lbs, experienced & an excellent faceoff guy. He is a good two way defensive forward, he can play centre or the wing, is only 30 yrs old, is a decent skater for a guy his size, he can play up & down the lineup & he had 39 pts last yr so he can chip in offensively especially, if he is playing with Stone & Hoffman.

He would be ideal to match up against any other centre in the league because he is so good defensively & because of his size, strength & faceoff ability. IMO he would improve the team & it wouldn't cost anywhere near what it would cost for Tavares, Duchene, Landeskog or Drouin. Hanzal is exactly the kind of player Paul & Brown could learn from in all aspects of the game, especially Brown who most likely will have to learn to be better defensively. If MacArthur gets hurt again, Dzingel replaces him as he did last yr, Smith moves up & McCormick takes his 4th line LW spot. This allows management to wait for the ideal trade scenario to come along & have the necessary cap space & assets in place to make the right deal or to wait for the young players to mature & begin to contribute at the NHL level.

Hoffman - Hanzal - Stone
MacArthur - Turris - Ryan
Dzingel - Brassard - Burrows
Smith - Pageau - Pyatt/McCormick

Hanzel is like Bobby Holik. In Holik's famous words, "play me as your 1st line center, you're in trouble, play me as your 3rd, you'll win".

Hanzel should never be thought of to take a 1st line role, and he's not needed in a 3rd line role.
 

Daigle18

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I'd like to see sens to trade Ceci and Turris for either Mackinnon or Drouin. What do you guys think?
 

Alf Silfversson

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Hanzel is like Bobby Holik. In Holik's famous words, "play me as your 1st line center, you're in trouble, play me as your 3rd, you'll win".

Hanzel should never be thought of to take a 1st line role, and he's not needed in a 3rd line role.

Agreed. To think that Hanzal is better suited to be our first line C than Turris or Brass is lunacy. He's at best a 3A on our team.

#tallestUFA #sizefetish
 

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