Kuznetsov, Kucherov, Buchnevich- The Russian Factor

[glovesave_35]

Have a look at how Tolvanen's progressing playing in the KHL

I'm not seeing your point or the connection to what I was talking about.

 

[Crede777]

What the puck is the story with North Americans saying staying in the KHL like it's a bad thing? What'S he point of havng your drafted prospect in NA?

It's not just about playing in NA. If a player has to play in the CHL and AHL for 3 seasons before making the NHL, that should be enough to knock him out of the top-5. Look at Dylan Strome for example.

With a top-5 pick, you're looking for 3 things:
1. Talent
2. Safety (how likely they are to reach their potential).
3. How soon that player will contribute at the NHL level.

Outside of the top-5, you begin to give up one or two of those things.

For Kuznetsov, every year he spends away from the NHL means one less year he is playing for the team that drafted him. It also increases the risk that he either might not live up to his potential (bad habits, injury, etc.) or just decides to not come over.

 

[Atas2000]

I can't tell if you're playing coy or what. The success of the KHL is itself a legitimate reason for fans of a hockey team in North America to be concerned whether a Russian player will leave the KHL for the NHL. And if they do come to NA and they don't have success to the degree they expected, or are asked to season in the minors in NA for a bit, they, more than any other nationality, may go back home to play hockey for a living.

You can't seriously credit the KHL with so much of a player's development, espousing the virtues of the league, and then act surprised when we have this mentality. And it isn't a figment of our imagination.

No seriously, you really mean it? Bringing the player over toNA as soon as possible only out of fear he might not come over later, even if it means ruining his development? What did the players do to you?

 

[Atas2000]

For Kuznetsov, every year he spends away from the NHL means one less year he is playing for the team that drafted him. It also increases the risk that he either might not live up to his potential (bad habits, injury, etc.) or just decides to not come over.

1.Every year a player spends playing in the NA minors he is not playing for the team that drafted him.

2.Is playing in Russia somehow affecting the risk of not living up to potetial?

3.Bad habits can only develop in Russia?

4.How many players ever decided to not come over ever without ever trying?

 

[vorky]

It is obvious that overwhelming majority of Russian prospects, who have chosen the CHL route, has not developped properly. They have not make the NHL & that is a reason to move. FHR VP said in July 2017: "FHR has gave over 750 transfer cards to players for last 3 seasons. Out of them only Panarin, Zaitsev, Radulov & Slepyshev have made the NHL. All benefited from playing in Russia & moved when fully developped." That is the point, move to North America when you are fully developped, ready to play the NHL since day one. Players like Kaprizov, Sorokin, Shestyorkin (and Panarin, Tarasenko, Kuznetsov before) - to name a few - have got the message. Sad that many have not. There is FHR policy to do everything to stop the exodus of prospects & bring them back if moved already. There were adopted some changes in rules to prevent moving, to create better conditions for players development in Russia. Plus the KHL clubs have changed their policy of players development, more chances to prospects. If a player moves when fully developped, all sides benefit from it - a player, a NHL club, a KHL club, RUS NT.

 

[glovesave_35]

No seriously, you really mean it? Bringing the player over toNA as soon as possible only out of fear he might not come over later, even if it means ruining his development? What did the players do to you?

You are being intentionally obtuse now.

It's not rocket science why these kids fall and yet you sit here and lecture us North American fans on the right way to do it. I presume you wouldn't be so smug and arrogant if the positions were swapped.

 

[glovesave_35]

1.Every year a player spends playing in the NA minors he is not playing for the team that drafted him.

Again, the answer to this is obvious. In the NA minors an NHL organization has control over the development of their prospect. In any other scenario, whether that be Sweden, Finland, or Russia they do not.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be an active participant in a player's development.

 

[Ainec]

Aside from Yakupov the Russian players that come to NA and get drafted high has never been acknowledged or viewed as being more talented than Kuznetsov/Tarasenko.

There's been a ton of Russian players drafted since such as Gurianov and Rubtsov and they are nowhere near