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This is why it would be hard to take less than 10.5. I mean Toews gets that much for Fran’s sake.He's worth more than Toews.
This is why it would be hard to take less than 10.5. I mean Toews gets that much for Fran’s sake.He's worth more than Toews.
This is why it would be hard to take less than 10.5. I mean Toews gets that much for Fran’s sake.
Toews and Kane were receiving salary when they won those 3 cups. They were just doing their jobs.Kane and Toews were paid for they'd done. Kuch will get paid for what he could do. Theres a sizable difference. Sure, Kuch is probably the better option moving forward, but he hasnt brought 3 cups in 6 years to Tampa (yet).
Toews and Kane were receiving salary when they won those 3 cups. They were just doing their jobs.
Giving a contract as a "reward" is plainly a mistake and nothing else.
Ah right, and they're not the only ones who won the three cups. Where are their 10mil "reward" deals?
This is just an excuse people use for justifying poor decisions.
The guys arguing tax breaks are solely the reason we're getting players for cheaper than market value, no the team culture is the biggest reason and the fact that the core members actually want to stay together. This really this only affects players brought up internally, it's shown very little if any influence on free agent signings, honestly a bigger deal than people make it out to be.
Because the added bonus of paying no income tax in Florida vs the potential 30-40% Canadian provincial income tax doesn't enter the equation remotely... Get real.
I'll accept that the team wants to play together, and understands that to do so, they need to allow the GM room to make moves around their cap hit. Call it team culture.
But don't for a second think that Florida's income tax laws don't play their part. Stamkos' 8.5 mil AAV is the equivalent of a 11.9 mil AAV where I live. Kucherov's 4.7 mil is the equivalent of 6.58 mil AAV after adding the taxes on top. While that doesn't affect the cap, that definitely affects the offer's dollar value impact.
So from that standpoint alone, people should look at these contract offers in a whole new light. Kucherov could demand the moon, but he's not going to be hard off if he follows Stamkos' lead and signs for 8.5-9 mil over term. And then when you look at the team as a whole and realize they're being paid 30-40% above what the listed numbers are on paper by virtue of not paying income tax... Then you should be able to grasp why Florida has so many players taking "home town" discounts.
That's great. Could you please go tell his agent to keep the salary low. Thanks.More than Matthews
If kuch takes less than 10M I hope Kane and Toews feel proud on how they ****ed their team.
Nobody takes a "home town discount" on a team they don't want to be on. Again the biggest reason they re-sign is because of the environment/team culture/wanting to win, you guys arguing taxes being the main or biggest reason is dumb. The tax benefit is a bigger advantage for the GM than it is the player, if Stamkos wanted 11.4 he would've gotten it from any other team that wanted him, any team would've paid Kucherov that 6m, Palat could make 7m on the open market and Hedman 10m easily. If they signed somewhere else they would've just signed for a higher dollar amount to make up for the tax.
So no it's not as big a part - especially if you consider the majority of the roster is paid on par with league averages, so would you guys are arguing most of our roster is overpaid? Guess that's the price we pay for our star players taking discounts right?
Toews and Kane were receiving salary when they won those 3 cups. They were just doing their jobs.
Giving a contract as a "reward" is plainly a mistake and nothing else.
Ah right, and they're not the only ones who won the three cups. Where are their 10mil "reward" deals?
This is just an excuse people use for justifying poor decisions.
More than Matthews
kucherov won't cripple the team like kane and toews did with his contract i'd say between 8.5 to 9 per year he signs for in tampa.He signed a super cheap bridge deal.
Logic dictates he's going to push for a lot more money on this contract.
Starts at 10M.
I think they will pay him the same percentage of the salary cap they gave stamkos. Since the cap will be higher in two years they will give him a little more then stamkos. i'd say 9 per year is what kucherov will sign for for a 8 year term.
Its easy to say you dont reward past play because youre not the one that has to tell guys you only want to pay them marginally more despite what they've done.
Crawford was rewarded for his play, Keith had already signed his deal and Seabrook just got his recently, if you want to know though.
Chicago will become terrible in the next few years because of it. But you dont short change the two key people who just brought a franchise back from death unless you want to assure youre franchise isnt succesful again for a long time.