Value of: Kopitar to St. Louis Blues

Colt55

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Outside of the idea that Kings shouldn't be trying to move Kopitar the Blues shouldn't be interested anyway. Yes they need another top 6 center but should be targeting someone way less costly than Kopitar would be. Winnipeg 1st and a winger prospect would be the starting point from a Blues perspective and the target should be a center hovering between 40-50 pts a year or at least capable of it with top 6 wingers.
Might as well sign statsny for a couple years
 

KingsHockey24

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Carter would probably be the player more likely to moved; especially with guys like Vilardi, Kempe, Amadio, Anderson-Dolan, etc.
 

PatrikOverAuston

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It is probably just talk. We don't have the cap space to sign a #1C like Brodziak. He'd probably going to command the going rate of $10-12M at 7 years.

Probably just a pipe dream, yes. Especially because of that you would think Blues fans would be open to almost any trade that does not involve AP, Tarasenko or Schwartz for a 1C, but that they keep turning down deals that don’t even involve roster players. Really don’t know how they expect to get such a player otherwise.
 

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Probably just a pipe dream, yes. Especially because of that you would think Blues fans would be open to almost any trade that does not involve AP, Tarasenko or Schwartz for a 1C, but that they keep turning down deals that don’t even involve roster players. Really don’t know how they expect to get such a player otherwise.
Your concern is touching. :eyeroll:
 

Colt55

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Probably just a pipe dream, yes. Especially because of that you would think Blues fans would be open to almost any trade that does not involve AP, Tarasenko or Schwartz for a 1C, but that they keep turning down deals that don’t even involve roster players. Really don’t know how they expect to get such a player otherwise.
We have gone over this we have a 1c schenn. He may not be the vest but he performed very well. We need a #2c until thomas is ready.that's how you don't sell the farm it's called being patient. But you continue to be bhurt. Mkay
 
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67Blues

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Probably just a pipe dream, yes. Especially because of that you would think Blues fans would be open to almost any trade that does not involve AP, Tarasenko or Schwartz for a 1C, but that they keep turning down deals that don’t even involve roster players. Really don’t know how they expect to get such a player otherwise.
A pipe dream would be teams that trade proven #1C with good term and salary for a bunch of prospects that aren't considered generational players. Who in their right mind would trade a true #1C for Thomas and Kyrou and a late 1st? That team doesn't exist. Sure, a team may trade a #1C at the TDL who is about to cash in as a UFA, but why would the Blues pay that kind of sum to empty their prospect cupboard?
 

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We have gone over this we have a 1c schenn. He may not be the vest but he performed very well. We need a #2c until thomas is ready.that's how you don't sell the farm it's called being patient. But you continue to be bhurt. Mkay
he thinks draisaitl is a center and jordan schmatlz can be a 2d rn
 
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One Winged Angel

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As of this very moment, there have only been 4 players to score 90 or more points and win the Selke in the same season (Troy Murray - 1986, Doug Gilmour - 1993, Sergei Fedorov - 1994 and 1996, Pavel Datsyuk - 2008 and 2009). Kopitar will probably be the 5th and in my opinion, he should become the 2nd player in NHL history to do accomplish this feat and win the MVP in the same season (Sergei Fedorov - 1994).

This is how good of a season Kopitar had, to put it in a historical perspective.

Now, think of what it should take to trade for a player of that magnitude.
 

Colt55

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As of this very moment, there have only been 4 players to score 90 or more points and win the Selke in the same season (Troy Murray - 1986, Doug Gilmour - 1993, Sergei Fedorov - 1994 and 1996, Pavel Datsyuk - 2008 and 2009). Kopitar will probably be the 5th and in my opinion, he should become the 2nd player in NHL history to do accomplish this feat and win the MVP in the same season (Sergei Fedorov - 1994).

This is how good of a season Kopitar had, to put it in a historical perspective.

Now, think of what it should take to trade for a player of that magnitude.
More than any sane team should trade. He would cost way to much
 

One Winged Angel

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More than any sane team should trade. He would cost way to much

That's my point, I just had to put things in perspective and then maybe with the historical rarity of a season he just had, maybe people would think twice about even attempting to offer him for anything or putting forth trade offers for him.

But this is HF so... HF GON HF.
 

67Blues

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That's my point, I just had to put things in perspective and then maybe with the historical rarity of a season he just had, maybe people would think twice about even attempting to offer him for anything or putting forth trade offers for him.

But this is HF so... HF GON HF.
To be fair, the OP doesn't appear to be a Blues fan at all. As a fan base that gets pounded with idiotic trade suggestions, we are as a rule, generally pretty sensitive to not start them.
 

PatrikOverAuston

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A pipe dream would be teams that trade proven #1C with good term and salary for a bunch of prospects that aren't considered generational players. Who in their right mind would trade a true #1C for Thomas and Kyrou and a late 1st? That team doesn't exist. Sure, a team may trade a #1C at the TDL who is about to cash in as a UFA, but why would the Blues pay that kind of sum to empty their prospect cupboard?

From the way Blues fans value them, you would think they ARE generational prospects...
 

One Winged Angel

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To be fair, the OP doesn't appear to be a Blues fan at all. As a fan base that gets pounded with idiotic trade suggestions, we are as a rule, generally pretty sensitive to not start them.

I wasn't singling out any fanbase. My statement was general.

It was moreso to make people aware of the kind of season Kopitar had. In terms of great two way seasons, it's one of the better ones we will ever see.

I think Fedorov's 1994 season is still the best two-way season ever, considering he finished top-3 in goals and points and won both the Selke and Hart in a season in which Steve Yzerman missed 20+ games and the Red Wings finished 1st in the West.

However, Kopitar in today's game on a team that had no other player in the top 65 in scoring (Brown tied for 66th with 61 points and Doughty tied for 72nd with 60 points) scored 92 points, outscoring each of the next two closest players on his team by over 30 points while playing over 22 minutes of all situations hockey per game.

Kopitar not only has a legitimate case for the Selke (he should win it), he has a legitimate case for the Hart.
 
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we dont have the assets

obviously parayko would have to be the main piece but if they are committing a full rebuild even he could be a bit old
 

Colt55

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From the way Blues fans value them, you would think they ARE generational prospects...
When you need good centers and rightwingers and you have 2 bluechips erst that just took the ohl, wjc by storm you should hold into them especially since they are cost controlled and will have term.
 

One Winged Angel

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When you need good centers and rightwingers and you have 2 bluechips erst that just took the ohl, wjc by storm you should hold into them especially since they are cost controlled and will have term.

Yeah, even as a Ranger fan, Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil were impressive, but by no means are McDavid and Eichel.

With that said, as a Ranger fan, I want nothing to do with them being moved unless it's as part of a package for a player like McDavid. It doesn't help the team going forward if they're moved for something less.
 

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