Kessel vs Frolik

Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by Chuckalinsky, Jun 13, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Chuckalinsky

    Chuckalinsky Registered User

    Joined:
    May 1, 2004
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I know the hype is around the 05 class at the moment, but I thought I would throw this out there regardless. These two seem like a deadly one-two punch for the 06 draft. Right now Kessel seems to be leading the way, but I think that this gap is a lot closer than the hype allows. I watched both this year at the WJC and both looked explosive and extremely talented. Both have huge upsides. Looking for comments surrounding either one of these talents play.
     
  2. Chuckalinsky

    Chuckalinsky Registered User

    Joined:
    May 1, 2004
    Messages:
    116
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Maybe my post was misleading, either that or nobody really cares at this point. Regardless, if you could pick, who would be your man?
     
  3. Vatican Roulette

    Vatican Roulette Baile de Los Locos

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2002
    Messages:
    14,007
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Gorillaz-EPWRID
    Home Page:

    Kessel is better at this point IMO, i think Frolik will eventually pass him up though.
     
  4. Rabid Ranger

    Rabid Ranger 2 is better than one

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    22,618
    Likes Received:
    459
    Trophy Points:
    199
    Occupation:
    Contract manager
    Location:
    Murica
    Well, Kessel has been talked about quite a bit around here. IMO, his game reminds me alot of Pat Lafontaine, although he has a better release (think Brett Hull). He's as fast a skater as I've seen in a long time, and is a credible playmaker and tremendous finisher. He's on the finesse side, but doesn't really shy from traffic. It wouldn't hurt for him to put some weight on, but that will come with time. I don't know as much about Frolik, although Kessel thoroughly outclassed him at the U18's. Will he be the better pro? Perhaps, although I don't see it.
     
  5. DaveMatthew

    DaveMatthew Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2005
    Messages:
    7,223
    Likes Received:
    664
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Seattle
    Any news on Frolik to the 67s?
     
  6. MHA

    MHA Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    182
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    Kessel may be better than Crosby
     
  7. Form and Substance

    Form and Substance Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2004
    Messages:
    5,670
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    uh oh.
     
  8. Jeffrey

    Jeffrey Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2003
    Messages:
    12,538
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montreal
    Home Page:
    why drag crosby into this .. :help:
     
  9. xtra

    xtra Registered User

    Joined:
    May 19, 2002
    Messages:
    4,076
    Likes Received:
    175
    Trophy Points:
    156
    Location:
    Vancouver
    Home Page:


    RUN AND HIDE!!!!!!



    for the love of GOD and all things you hold dear


    RUN AND HIDE
     
  10. MHA

    MHA Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    182
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    Kessel has speed to kill, he's a great puck-handler and sees the ice well. His size might prevent him from being a star
     
  11. Birko19

    Birko19 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2002
    Messages:
    11,198
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Hamilton, Ont
    Home Page:
    "Do you even know what you're talking about? Crosby is the next best player since God knows who, HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS? you're a HOMER"

    ^^^^^^ This is what you're gonna deal with, so take xtra's advice, "RUN AND HIDE!!!!!!" :)
     
  12. MHA

    MHA Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    182
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    Those who have never played hockey at a high level think he will be one of the greats.

    I spoke to a former coach who follows the Q and he told me that Crosby is a sensational player but more like a Pat Lafontaine then a Wayne or Mario. He does not dominate the game like they do. Case in point was the WJ where Bergereon was miles ahead of him. Just because he is the best players playing against guys between 16-19 does not mean that he will be the next great one. You were probably touting Daigle and Falloon as the next Gretzky's, lol. :yo:
     
  13. Birko19

    Birko19 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2002
    Messages:
    11,198
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Hamilton, Ont
    Home Page:
    To me potential is nice, but it does't mean a whole lot, it's what you do with it and we're yet to see what Crosby can do with his potential, I agree that he has a huge potential, I agree that he dominates the junior level, but we've yet to see him at the NHL level which is what counts, frankly many junior players were highly touted (Daigle stands out), but what did they do at the NHL level?

    Hey, I hope Crosby does become the next poster boy for the league, but some fans need to understand that he's not a sure bet, nor is Ovechkin, nor is Kessel, it's sure fun to compare their stayles to NHL players, but comparing them to the best players of all time is unfair to them.

    I kind of agree with his former coach, I don't see a whole lot of Gretzky or Lemieux in Crosby, Wayne and Mario had better playmaking abilities (Specially Wayne), but we'll wait and see I guess, this is the beauty of Hockey, the draft and the hype is definitely exciting (Even if there's some homers around lol), I just can't wait until we can have the draft and for Hockey to start again :yo:
     
  14. Jeffrey

    Jeffrey Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2003
    Messages:
    12,538
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Montreal
    Home Page:
    Crosby playmaking ability is still IMO a notch above kariya .. think Forsberg ..
    his speed especially his acceleration is amazing...
    IMO he doesnt have the goal scoring ability of gretzky and lemieux..
     
  15. nomorekids

    nomorekids The original, baby

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2003
    Messages:
    33,375
    Likes Received:
    103
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Home Page:
    This thread is Kessel and Frolik, not Kessel and Crosby. It seems like every Kessel thread degenerates into that, so let's not do it here.

    Thank you.
     
  16. Birko19

    Birko19 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2002
    Messages:
    11,198
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Hamilton, Ont
    Home Page:
    I'm not denying that Crosby has some top notch playmaking skills, indeed, and I agree that his playmaking abilites are better then his scoring skills, but I just think it's premature to compare him to the all time greats, at least not yet.

    For me, assuming Crosby does reach his potential I think he'll be a 30-40 goal scorer and a 90 point producer, he'll probably crack a 100 point season once or twice, or more, who knows, but that depends how the league is because if the league does't open up scoring will stay low.

    Ok nomorekids, I'll stop talking about Crosby now :)
     
  17. MHA

    MHA Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2004
    Messages:
    182
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    I agree with you here
     
  18. Habsfan 32

    Habsfan 32 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2004
    Messages:
    6,316
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Way up north...
    I think Kessel is better at moment but Frolik might become better in the next year.
     
  19. BobMarleyNYR

    BobMarleyNYR Registered User

    Joined:
    May 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,933
    Likes Received:
    92
    Trophy Points:
    101
    Occupation:
    panhandler
    Location:
    Alphabet
    Crosby and Kessel are not sure bets... Ovechkin really kind of is. Barring an injury, I'd bet my life he will make the NHL, and there's 95% chance he'll be a 1st liner.
     
  20. SPORTSMANIAC

    SPORTSMANIAC Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2004
    Messages:
    2,588
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Lewiston, Maine
    Home Page:
    I think Kessel is alittle better at this point and he might pull away more just to define who is the no 1 pick in the 06 draft. Kessel will light it up for UMinn. Frolik right now we don't know where he is playing next year. Most likely in Europe but there is that slight chance that he will play for a CHL team. The defining moment of their seasons to determine their draft positions will come when they play in the WJC's then he might have a cleared favorite. I see Kessel going number 1 and Frolik no 2. If you notice the trend The three superpowers of hockey Canada, Russia, and the USA will have produce their superphenom to go no 1in the draft three year in a row. Ovechkin 04 Crosby 05 Kessel most likely in 06. I think hockey in general will get back with these three superphenoms.
     
  21. Form and Substance

    Form and Substance Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2004
    Messages:
    5,670
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's a lot like an NHLPA euphemism! Contrast it to your earlier post.
     
  22. espo*

    espo* Guest

    From limited viewing.....................Kessel.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"