GDT: Just Win Baby! Part 1 vs Toronto

Ole Gil

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I only caught the highlights, but on the 1st goal. The Hainsey goal, and the Darling goal, the leafs had a guy sitting peacefully in the crease to an absurd degree.

It's never going to get better no matter who is in net if that's the position that is being given up around the net. Canes weren't even jostling them. They were giving them sixth grade slow dance partners space.

The only softy was Anderson on hanifins goal. And that was a deceptive release and perfect location. Although looks like Freddy made plenty of big saves early.
 

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Defensive mistakes have been characteristic of this season but the goaltending has defined it. With decent goaltending last night, we win game. We've got two jekyll and Hyde goalies. I guess if we get Hyde, we've just got to put in the other and hope he's Jekyll.
 

Ole Gil

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Defensive mistakes have been characteristic of this season but the goaltending has defined it. With decent goaltending last night, we win game. We've got two jekyll and Hyde goalies. I guess if we get Hyde, we've just got to put in the other and hope he's Jekyll.

I didn't think any of the goals let in were 'bad' goals. The breakaway and off the post goals were maybe stoppable. But the defining factor watching it for me, was opposing forwards just standing right next to the crease untouched patiently waiting for a puck to tap in.

We've got 6 big talented dmen, and when the puck is around the net, they always seem to be standing on the wrong side of the opposing forward trying to do some finesse stick check to save a goal. I just hate the way the Canes defense is used. The gap between their talent and their on ice results is too wide.
 

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I didn't think any of the goals let in were 'bad' goals. The breakaway and off the post goals were maybe stoppable. But the defining factor watching it for me, was opposing forwards just standing right next to the crease untouched patiently waiting for a puck to tap in.

We've got 6 big talented dmen, and when the puck is around the net, they always seem to be standing on the wrong side of the opposing forward trying to do some finesse stick check to save a goal. I just hate the way the Canes defense is used. The gap between their talent and their on ice results is too wide.

The first goal Cam literally slid out of the net for no reason whatsoever and created a passing lane that should never exist. Hyman had no chance of receiving a pass on that play if Cam wasn’t going for a joyride. On the 5th shot allowed in the game, in the 2nd period.
 

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If were Peters, ( after going home and drinking myself into a coma) I'd come back the next game and proceed to mentally torture both goalies by just swapping them out randomly after each period. Hell I'd bring up Ned and dress all three goalies and just bench Kruger and rotate throgh each one every period, to include OT and shootouts.
 

Ole Gil

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I hear what you're saying, but I don't know about no reason. Slavin took himself out of the play, and Hyman was sitting in front of the net by himself.

It was essentially a mini 2 on 0. If Cam plays it passively, either he's going to leave a bunch of net open, or the guy in front of the net is going to be open for an easy tip in. So he plays it aggressively, taking away the angle, all the while keeping his stick on the ice like a dman to take away the centering pass while staying square to the shooter, and almost makes it back for the 2nd centering pass. It was a pretty heady/athletic play.

Meanwhile, the rest of the team still hadn't made their way back into the play somehow as the guy in front of the net is still very available for an easy tap in.

All in all, I thought the Toronto player just did a nice job making the Canes pay for leaving a guy at the top of the crease by himself.
 

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It was essentially a mini 2 on 0. If Cam plays it passively, either he's going to leave a bunch of net open, or the guy in front of the net is going to be open for an easy tip in. So he plays it aggressively, taking away the angle, all the while keeping his stick on the ice like a dman to take away the centering pass while staying square to the shooter, and almost makes it back for the 2nd centering pass. It was a pretty heady/athletic play.

I'm not so sure I agree it was a great play by Ward. If we assume he made the right read, he executed badly. He should have come flush with the short side post and put his stick down to deny the pass. He just kept inching further out and to the right, and just kept doubling down, to the point where he seemed to go floating out into outer space as if Hal jettisoned him. Yes, it's too easy for me to say that his stick on the ice while stationed on the near post would have denied or broken up the pass, but I think that's the smarter play. Judging his reaction, I think Ward knows it is, too.

the Toronto player just did a nice job making the Canes pay for leaving a guy at the top of the crease by himself.

There's a little bit of armchair-QB overreach in Tripp's analysis of Faulk's D on the doorstep. Sure, Faulk could've stayed with Hyman and tied up his stick, but because Ward was untethered with Gardiner about to swoop around the back side of the net, Faulk is between a rock and hard place defending Gardiner and Hyman. Faulk made a split second decision that Gardiner wasn't going to make the pass and instead was going for the wrap-around...at the last moment before the pass, you see Faulk's body weight move to his right as if he's going out to intercept Gardiner on the other side of the net.
 

Ole Gil

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I don't think Cam can stay big on the post and have his stick down to take away the passing lane, or even be in position to take away the pass at the same time. The guy coming up the wing didn't look like he was deep enough yet, and if Cam has his stick down, there's going to be a lot of open net up high and short side.

Fair point on Faulk maybe hesitating due to wrap around. But someone is to blame for a guy standing right in front of the net all by himself for a prolonged period of time. Maybe it's Slavin for botching that block attempt and taking himself out of the play? But it can't be right that Slavin was in charge of covering the guy in front of the net and the guy coming up the wing.

But that's sort of the point. We've got breakdowns on top of breakdowns on top of breakdowns that end up with no win situations. Even when Darling or Ward are on their game, it feels like a goal against is inevitable. And I think a lot of it is just how easy whatever the Canes are doing is making it to stand in front of the net.
 

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*Whispers* good NHL goalies dont just stop bad goals, they ocassionally make great saves. And that first goal was terrible

I hate comments like this. Because it completely ignores Ward’s body of work this season, let alone his career. Even taking into account this game, Ward has made more “great saves” this season than he has allowed bad goals.

Now that’s not to say that both goaltenders need to perform much better if this team even wants to sniff at a chance at the playoffs, but the implication that they haven’t “occasionally made great saves” is just blatantly false.

It’d be like claiming Slavin needs to “occasionally learn how to defend a rush” based on his past few games.
 

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Fair point on Faulk maybe hesitating due to wrap around. But someone is to blame for a guy standing right in front of the net all by himself for a prolonged period of time. Maybe it's Slavin for botching that block attempt and taking himself out of the play? But it can't be right that Slavin was in charge of covering the guy in front of the net and the guy coming up the wing.

But that's sort of the point. We've got breakdowns on top of breakdowns on top of breakdowns that end up with no win situations. Even when Darling or Ward are on their game, it feels like a goal against is inevitable. And I think a lot of it is just how easy whatever the Canes are doing is making it to stand in front of the net.

Yeah, when I was looking at the video last night, I wondered if we were on the PK based on the lack of red jerseys in view. However, I think goal is the direct result of two things: a turnover by Ward off a dump-in (Ward sent it past Faulk along the far boards directly to a TOR player) and CAR being in the middle of a line change. Faulk is caught deep along the far boards as the puck swings to Gardiner without any CAR skater to stop/deter it because of the line change, Slavin has Hyman but isn't going to allow Gardiner to waltz directly in on Ward so he moves out to block the shot, Faulk comes down to take Hyman, and the rest has already been discussed.

So, in my opinion it's short-sighted to place blame for this at the feet of "making it too easy for the other team to stand in front of the net". Hyman standing in front of the net was simply one of many great choices the TOR skaters had to their disposal as a result of Ward turning it over during a line change.
 

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I hate comments like this. Because it completely ignores Ward’s body of work this season, let alone his career. Even taking into account this game, Ward has made more “great saves” this season than he has allowed bad goals.

Well, then again, a great save doesn't wash the stink off a shitty miss. I don't know what the proper ratio is, but it's a damn far sight more than 1-to-1.

In any case, it's pretty clear to me that first goal is 100% on Ward. For the Canes to have dominated the first period and to see Ward f*** them less than one minute into the second has got to be deflating. To have 2 games in a row where goaltenders f*** up so badly on early shot attempts while the team is attempting to work into playoff position is inexcusable. Those two are getting a big enough slice of the salary pie to shoulder burden on the failed opportunities.
 

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In any case, it's pretty clear to me that first goal is 100% on Ward. For the Canes to have dominated the first period and to see Ward **** them less than one minute into the second has got to be deflating. To have 2 games in a row where goaltenders **** up so badly on early shot attempts while the team is attempting to work into playoff position is inexcusable. Those two are getting a big enough slice of the salary pie to shoulder burden on the failed opportunities.

Seeing how vegas is doing with their goal situation has me wondering what we could do with the money being spent on darling and Ward reinvested in goal scorers with any journeyman or callup in net. Not realistic I know but something to think about
 

Ole Gil

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Seeing how vegas is doing with their goal situation has me wondering what we could do with the money being spent on darling and Ward reinvested in goal scorers with any journeyman or callup in net. Not realistic I know but something to think about

What's scary, is that in the games the Canes win, the goalies often have to play amazing. I still can't figure out how a team with this much talent on defense requires so much from their goalies. Intuitively, goalies behind a 'great' defense should have a lot of easy nights.
 

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Analysis like that is also why I understand why tarheelhockey didn't take it upon himself to do it again this year. It's a lot of work!

Yeah, it just gets overwhelming after a point. Most of the time is spent just tracking the numbers and getting it all formatted with video evidence and such. 82 games of that is a lot to keep up with.

If anyone ever wants to take it on, I don’t feel “ownership” over it so feel free to use the old templates and whatnot.
 

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