Jokerit 17/18 - Scooters Gonna Scoot

vorky

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Looks nice :popcorn: and they will also add rink side "Nissan" restaurant/pub to north side...ice level.

edit. and around 500 tickets left for Saturday's home opener vs Riga.

When is Nissan pub opened? Before/after match? Or during? Or all?

Will it be only one time thing for home opener? Or they plan to have it for more games?
 

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When is Nissan pub opened? Before/after match? Or during? Or all?

Will it be only one time thing for home opener? Or they plan to have it for more games?

It's open throughout the match. They will probably use it only for the weekend games. It eats away few hundred seats from the capacity so it might be better to not open it against high profile teams like SKA. That part of the lower bowl is movable, so they can easily push back the seats if needed. It's the same space where concert stages are usually set in.
 

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It's gonna be another sellout for Jokerit... or not? CSKA and Jokerit had some bad blood in the past, and they are top contenders this season.
 

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It's gonna be another sellout for Jokerit... or not? CSKA and Jokerit had some bad blood in the past, and they are top contenders this season.

Not even close, I'd say 10k max. It's a shame because matches against CSKA have always been very entertaining.
 

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Why so much? They seem didn't have very expensive players, and 14M - it's a whole average budget for a KHL team.

Two things:

Tax rates in Finland are much higher compared to Russia. A player with a net salary of 500 000 € costs around 1 mil € for Jokerit. Travel expenses are also considerably higher. Jokerit are using chartered Finnair planes, which are probably way more expensive than Russian charters.
 

Kshahdoo

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Two things:

Tax rates in Finland are much higher compared to Russia. A player with a net salary of 500 000 € costs around 1 mil € for Jokerit. Travel expenses are also considerably higher. Jokerit are using chartered Finnair planes, which are probably way more expensive than Russian charters.

Still, Finland is a way richer country, than Russia, probably close to USA and Canada. And hockey is sport number one there, like in Canada, Jokerit should make much more money, than it's making. SKA is earning around 15M euro, probably more, and is gonna earn 25M in the next season.
 

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Still, Finland is a way richer country, than Russia, probably close to USA and Canada. And hockey is sport number one there, like in Canada, Jokerit should make much more money, than it's making. SKA is earning around 15M euro, probably more, and is gonna earn 25M in the next season.

I agree. The situation would probably be a lot better without the sanctions and something should be done to reduce the travel expenses. Less inter-conference matches and maybe a cheaper way to travel. Finnair is not cheap :D
 

Kshahdoo

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I agree. The situation would probably be a lot better without the sanctions and something should be done to reduce the travel expenses. Less inter-conference matches and maybe a cheaper way to travel. Finnair is not cheap :D

Yeah, it looks like right now the team is a toy for billionaires, and it should be a commercial project.
 

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Still, Finland is a way richer country, than Russia, probably close to USA and Canada. And hockey is sport number one there, like in Canada, Jokerit should make much more money, than it's making. SKA is earning around 15M euro, probably more, and is gonna earn 25M in the next season.

Finland should be big enough to support a KHL team, but maybe Jokerit is not the right choice for that. In Helsinki (and surrounding area) there still seems to be big division between HIFK and Jokerit. And if Jokerit can't be a team for whole city, how can it be that for whole country? If KHL wants a team for whole country, maybe they should go with a team, that copies national team.
 

Kshahdoo

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Finland should be big enough to support a KHL team, but maybe Jokerit is not the right choice for that. In Helsinki (and surrounding area) there still seems to be big division between HIFK and Jokerit. And if Jokerit can't be a team for whole city, how can it be that for whole country? If KHL wants a team for whole country, maybe they should go with a team, that copies national team.

Helsinki's metro is 1.4M people, it's more than enough to support two teams. Especially considering, they are playing in different leagues.
 

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Finland should be big enough to support a KHL team, but maybe Jokerit is not the right choice for that. In Helsinki (and surrounding area) there still seems to be big division between HIFK and Jokerit. And if Jokerit can't be a team for whole city, how can it be that for whole country? If KHL wants a team for whole country, maybe they should go with a team, that copies national team.

No. There's only one Team Finland. Why should all of Finland get behind one regular season team in a Russian league?

But kshahdoo's right, for an international league that wanted to expand to Finland Helsinki and picking off one of Jokerit or HIFK is an easy choice.
 

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Helsinki's metro is 1.4M people, it's more than enough to support two teams. Especially considering, they are playing in different leagues.

Yes, it's probably big enough for 3-4 teams. But if one wants a team in KHL from Finland and hopes that it would not lose money, maybe half of Helsinki's metro is not big enough.
 

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Finland should be big enough to support a KHL team, but maybe Jokerit is not the right choice for that. In Helsinki (and surrounding area) there still seems to be big division between HIFK and Jokerit. And if Jokerit can't be a team for whole city, how can it be that for whole country? If KHL wants a team for whole country, maybe they should go with a team, that copies national team.

There's really no alternative. Tampere has two major teams and Turku is despised by everyone else in Finland (I'm not even kidding). Oulu is the only big hockey city with a single club and they're quite popular in the northern parts of Finland. Still, Oulu is perhaps too small for KHL with only 200k inhabitants.

4-0 win for Jokerit against CSKA, this team is flying.
 

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Still, Finland is a way richer country, than Russia, probably close to USA and Canada. And hockey is sport number one there, like in Canada, Jokerit should make much more money, than it's making. SKA is earning around 15M euro, probably more, and is gonna earn 25M in the next season.

:laugh: Yeah, no. You need to look at how much countries put into sport sponsorship. Finland is down the list on that one just in the Nordic countries: http://www.hs.fi/urheilu/art-2000002879000.html

In 2014 Swedish sports received 520 million euros in sponsorship money, Norwegian sports 360 million and Finnish 128 million. On average, a Finn uses about 30 euros for sponsoring, where as in Norway the figure is 100 euros and in Sweden 120 euros.
 

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:laugh: Yeah, no. You need to look at how much countries put into sport sponsorship. Finland is down the list on that one just in the Nordic countries: http://www.hs.fi/urheilu/art-2000002879000.html

The article states that financial sponsoring in Finland is on par with other Western countries and even higher when compared to USA and Canada, the countries originally referred by Kshahdoo.

The level of sponsorship in Sweden and Norway is exceptionally high globally which makes it a poor comparison. One can only hope that Finland could reach similar levels.
 

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The article states that financial sponsoring in Finland is on par with other Western countries and even higher when compared to USA and Canada, the countries originally referred by Kshahdoo.

The level of sponsorship in Sweden and Norway is exceptionally high globally which makes it a poor comparison. One can only hope that Finland could reach similar levels.

For North America, it's countered with high tv rights fees, reducing the need for sponsorship deals from every local small business.

We won't reach such numbers as longs as the general attitude among the population is that companies should not invest in sponsorship while laying off workers.
 

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Disappointing attendance numbers for Jokerit so far, even though the team is playing well and there are some exciting players to watch. The marketing department needs to create some buzz around the team.
 

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