Johnsson or Kapanen your choice

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by saltming, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. Raym11

    Raym11 Phaneuf sucks

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2009
    Messages:
    6,854
    Likes Received:
    284
    Trophy Points:
    94
    I forgot Plekanec is a leaf he's been incredibly invisible, meanwhile Johnsson has been noticeable in every game, both good and bad.

    I'd keep Both, but is it even a question? Kapanen stays in over Johnsson no matter what
     
  2. Anthrax442

    Anthrax442 Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2008
    Messages:
    9,771
    Likes Received:
    817
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Location:
    Toronto
    Home Page:
    For right now Kappy just purely since he paid his dues and has the playoff experience already. AnJo can go back to AHL and lead a playoffs run there.
     
  3. Kiwi

    Kiwi Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,807
    Likes Received:
    1,378
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    The Naki
    Of course there is

    The Bozak line is working as well now as it did with Marner on it, the only argument you've got is "sure that lines going great but it's just got to be better with Johnsson there"

    That lines going so well right now your highly unlikely to be correct on it improving let alone the kid you want to replace Brown with has almost zero NHL experience

    My general rule of thumb is that if it works leave it alone and mess with combinations if it's not

    Leave the forward group alone, **** Komarov and his "intangibles", keep the lineup as is (except Zaitsev because we're worse with him to)
     
  4. saltming

    saltming Fan Addict

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2015
    Messages:
    14,043
    Likes Received:
    1,307
    Trophy Points:
    124
    The point is Leo will play and one of them has to go. So, based on the meritorious system you espouse to brown should be the guy to go unless you think Johnsson has not been playing better than brown.
     
  5. Kiwi

    Kiwi Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,807
    Likes Received:
    1,378
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    The Naki
    Since we both know it's not a meritocracy we can dispense with that argument, if it was Komarov would have his ass stapled to the press box

    I like Johnsson but there is no way in hell he should play in place of Brown

    Brown's contribution was inarguable, he was on the Matthews line when the game was on the line instead of Nylander and he played his part in the JVR goal

    Babcock isn't going to PB him for a kid that's not played on the Bozak line
     
  6. nobody

    nobody Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,642
    Likes Received:
    889
    Trophy Points:
    92
    I know that Pleks has been **** for us. So when Leo comes back, why don't we toss him into Pleks 4C role and put the ex-hab in the press box?
     
    highslot likes this.
  7. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    24,647
    Likes Received:
    13,835
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Because plekanec has been fine and komarov isn't a center
     
  8. saltming

    saltming Fan Addict

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2015
    Messages:
    14,043
    Likes Received:
    1,307
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Ya we both know Leo is going in and brown will stay but my point is still AJ has been better than brown since being called up. Even zekes numbers showed that.
     
  9. ULF_55

    ULF_55 Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2002
    Messages:
    67,381
    Likes Received:
    898
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Location:
    Mountain Standard Ti
    Home Page:
    If one has to go out for the playoffs, I'd rather it be Johnsson.

    I think Kapanen is just better prepared at this time to contribute in more ways.

    Only way around that happening would be something like (with Komarov back).

    Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
    Marleau-Kadri-Marner
    van Riemsdyk-Bozak-Hyman
    Komarov-Plekanec-Kapanen

    Brown sitting
     
    saltming likes this.
  10. SAMCRO44

    SAMCRO44 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2012
    Messages:
    9,451
    Likes Received:
    1,386
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hamilton, ON
    I think some may be disappointed to see Komarov playing higher up on the lineup. babcock loves his matchups
     
  11. mashedpotato

    mashedpotato Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2012
    Messages:
    1,437
    Likes Received:
    84
    Trophy Points:
    71
    Komarov will get playing time - Babcock strikes me as a coach that honors his veteran players - which is a shame because I can really see Johnsson's energy and effort...

    On the issue of Komarov, I hope he's not re signed by the Leafs - I don't particularly have a problem with him, I just think we can put the money to better use by offering new contracts to the Marner, Matthews and Nylander while putting some effort into acquiring a top 4 defence.
     
  12. nobody

    nobody Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,642
    Likes Received:
    889
    Trophy Points:
    92
    And yet Leo can play C and is decent on the draw. Do you really want to see Komarov - Plek - Kapanen? Not only do the first two guys manage to be absolute plugs but throwing Kapanen there pretty much renders him useless since there's 0 skill on that line outside of him. We would turn a productive and advantageous 4th line into absolute bums, real fast.
     
  13. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    24,647
    Likes Received:
    13,835
    Trophy Points:
    141
    No, I want to keep seeing Johnsson - Plekanec - Kapanen though. They've been good every game
     
  14. nobody

    nobody Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,642
    Likes Received:
    889
    Trophy Points:
    92
    Who are you taking out for Leo then? Babs already said AJ is out as soon as Leo comes back.
     
  15. Kiwi

    Kiwi Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,807
    Likes Received:
    1,378
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    The Naki
    One guys the defensive conscience on a top 9 line, the other guy is on the 4th line and has a tiny sample size so the numbers argument needs context

    I'm pretty sure his argument is Komarov shouldn't come back in, which I agree with by the way
     
  16. nobody

    nobody Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,642
    Likes Received:
    889
    Trophy Points:
    92
    Does that not sound absolutely absurd. Do you think Babs would ever not play a healthy Leo or Zach?
     
  17. saltming

    saltming Fan Addict

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2015
    Messages:
    14,043
    Likes Received:
    1,307
    Trophy Points:
    124
    We certainly agree Leo should sit but I do see the value of bringing him in to be a heavier team.
    Also if Leo is the wrecking ball he was previous to this season in these playoffs I will be happy to have him
     
  18. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    24,647
    Likes Received:
    13,835
    Trophy Points:
    141
    I don't understand your point. He's also not going to sit a healthy Plekanec so that he can try Leo out at center
     
  19. nobody

    nobody Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Messages:
    1,642
    Likes Received:
    889
    Trophy Points:
    92
    Nope. He's going to play both Leo and Pleks and therefore AJ is going to get boned. I want AJ and KK in the lineup with either one of Leo or Pleks. Obviously that's not happening. It was wishful thinking.
     
  20. CantLoseWithMatthews

    CantLoseWithMatthews Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    24,647
    Likes Received:
    13,835
    Trophy Points:
    141
    yeah, so was mine
     
  21. GodEmperor

    GodEmperor Fight For World Peace

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2017
    Messages:
    1,935
    Likes Received:
    1,842
    Trophy Points:
    98
    It's ok his generational pking and his generational tapping other guys on the shoulder when he scores (1/40 games) makes up for it.

    Who needs speed, offense and youth when you have grit and PKing?

    "WHAT'S THE CORSI ON THAT???"-MIKE BABCOCK
     
  22. Kiwi

    Kiwi Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,807
    Likes Received:
    1,378
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    The Naki
    Babcock is going to do what he's going to do, doesn't mean I've got to agree with him especially on Komarov

    I'd happily take Komarov of a couple of years ago over a lot of guys but he's not that player now and wishing won't change that

    He's got to provide more to the team than PK ability and some grit, he needs to be a positive 5v5 over the other guys which he clearly isn't
     
  23. saltming

    saltming Fan Addict

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2015
    Messages:
    14,043
    Likes Received:
    1,307
    Trophy Points:
    124
    I'm willing to see how he starts the playoffs. I'm hoping he's saving himself for the playoffs.
    If he doesn't come out with guns ablazing then I will be pulling out my pitchfork.
     
  24. Kiwi

    Kiwi Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2016
    Messages:
    8,807
    Likes Received:
    1,378
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Location:
    The Naki
    He's just not the same this season, his play style has caught up with him

    Play the best team, Komarov just isn't there now days
     
  25. htpwn

    htpwn Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2009
    Messages:
    19,997
    Likes Received:
    1,121
    Trophy Points:
    139
    Location:
    Toronto
    Kapanen over Johnsson -- both because his speed is game changing, especially if we play Boston, and also because of his tendency to come up big in key moments -- but really... neither of them should sit. Komarov is clearly the worst of the three.

    This is one reason I wanted Johnsson (and Aaltonen) to get a look before the trade deadline: We could have got a return for a pending UFA in Komarov AND filled in his roster spot with a superior player. Nope. Instead we go out and give away a 2nd to get Plekanec.
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2018

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"