Player Discussion John Carlson

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  1. Raikkonen

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    Carlson has 40 points in 52 games?! News to me.

    Doesn't have KHL factor. 7,5 and no more! :P Hopefully.
     
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    TSN (Pierre LeBrun) reporting possibility of a sign-and-trade for Carlson, possibly if he insists on an eighth year. (I'm not sure whether 8 years or the total $ amount would be a bigger deal-killer):

    James Duthie: Guys, you’ve been talking about the possibility of a sign and trade for John Tavares if he doesn’t want to return to the Islanders. Pierre, could there be other guys that do the sign and trade? We haven’t seen it in the NHL.

    Pierre LeBrun: I would say that whatever remote chance there is of John Tavares doing one it’s certainly a possibility, his camp is examining that. The same would hold true for John Carlson, the number one UFA defenceman on this year’s market. He just happens to be leading all defencemen in scoring, perfect timing.

    I think his preference is to re-sign in Washington, I know the Caps are going to make that a number one priority but they have challenges with their salary cap. It’s going to be tough to fit that in because the number keeps growing every day. The only reason there’s a possibility of a sign and trade is if the eighth year matters that much to John Carlson.
    I think it is of importance to him and, of course, from Washington’s perspective if they can’t sign him, they get something in return if they give him that eighth year and trade him a trade so that’s something to keep an eye on with John Carlson.

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  3. AlexBrovechkin8

    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    Interesting. Sign and trade Carlson. Trade Holtby or Grubauer. Use said assets to acquire Erik Karlsson. Profit.
     
  4. CapitalsCupFantasy

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    It’s gonna take a lot more than what JC74 returns. If the Caps can’t fit his number, how do they fit EK when he’s due a contract in a year?
     
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    Carlson is 28, an 8th year would take him to 36. Defensemen usually don't have huge dropoffs, so I don't have a problem with that. Besides getting him locked in now, even if he does drop off (see orpik), it will be on a contract from 8 years ago. Today's overpay is tomorrow's deal.
     
  6. AlexBrovechkin8

    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    We have no idea what a signed JC74 returns and we have no idea what Grubauer or Holtby return so it's premature to say they wouldn't have the assets to acquire EK. I'd venture to say a signed JC brings back a 1st+ and Grubauer/Holtby could/will also fetch a 1st. 2 1sts is a pretty good starting point for EK, yeah?

    They fit in EK because in another year Orpik isn't on the team any more and neither is his $5.5mm cap hit. And in another year the cap could continue to go up. Or they trade Burakovsky. Fitting EK's cap hit is not a problem.
     
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    I feel confident that EK will cost more to acquire than a signed Carlson. That’s all I said. EK and his rumored $10 mil per year will be tough to swallow.
     
  8. calicapsfan

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    This I agree with. Sign Carlson, develop the kids. Maybe trade for another quality D.
     
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    Developing the kids is nice and all, but they have no one who projects to replace Carlson. If you’re going to trade for another quality D if you do lose Carlson that’ll cost you in assets and cap dollars as well. Why not try and pay a little more for the best?

    Carlson at 8mm or Karlsson at 9-10mm... would rather have the latter.
     
  10. trick9

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    They should let Carlson test the market if he wants long-term contract at over 7m AAV.
     
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    Well, we can sign Carlson for free. And he'll sign for less than 8M most probably. Younger and more skilled player (Kuzy) signed for less, why would Carlson get more? He has his points from Ovechkin island too and knows it.

    As for Karlsson, if Eichel goes for 10+ I dont see Karlsson being realistic at 9M. That's fantasy IMO.

    So
    Carlson (without cost of acquiring) for 7,5M or so
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    Karlsson (costing kings ransom) for 10+

    It's not that clear. And no guarantee you will successfully trade for EK in first place. Easy to understand why GMBM is ready to do whatever to sign JC.
     
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    He wins the scoring race among Ds. (Krug won't put 10 points tonight)
    In a contract year.

    1st Cap to do it since Green
     
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    GMBM will give Carlson the contract he wants because he doesn't want to let him walk for nothing, and there might be no decent free agents on the market to bring in to replace. It sucks because he's not a true #1 D but will get paid as if he is.
     
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    Incorrect. Karlsson and Doughty both will get north of 10 million AAV as true number 1s. Carlson, who should’ve been a Norris finalist IMO, will get ~$8M as a 1B.
     
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    I think they are next level generational number 1's, probably a bit different. I wouldn't want to pay John Carlson 8m a year. I'd feel uncomfortable going over 7m
     
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    Leafs are gonna offer JC the moon, bet on it. He immediately becomes their best Dman, Rielly is very over-rated, even more than Carlson. ;)
     
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    Well, you aren't the the only one who doesn't want Green back. I wouldn't be shocked given how this organization loves former players over the years. I don't hate the player like you do, but I agree signing him is not the answer and only steals away from youngsters who can contribute for the future.

    Go Caps!
     
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    I imagine quite a few teams are, especially with so many teams fighting for playoff qualification and pleasing their fan base.
     
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    I'm thinking the Devils get him personally.
     
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    NBC crew saying he was snubbed for Norris.
     
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    One of the few times I have to agree with NBC.
     
  22. BiPolar Caps

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    Will get dicey with resigning Carlson. I know the logical way to go about it is somehow moving Orpik and his contract, but not too optimistic about that occurring.

    Caps will also still need to work out a new contract with Tom Wilson who will be a RFA as well as Kempny who'll be a UFA. There's some other RFAs (DSP, Boyd and Bowey) and some UFAs (Beagle and Jerabek) where decisions need to be made. Chiasson should not be back. Grubauer who'll be a RFA should be gone (Buffalo for their second round pick +). I think that it might be a good time to move Burakovsky and his 3 million as well (St. Louis and their first round pick which is actually Winnipegs and currently in the mock draft scenario is listed as #30, would like to also re-obtain Zach Sanford in such a deal). Moving Burakovsky's contract will aid in the resigning of Carlson perhaps. Obtaining the Blues pick plus the Caps pick currently at #25 perhaps as someone suggested could be packaged to move up in the draft.
     
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    Carlson has been absolutely fantastic so far in the playoffs.
     
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    He always is come playoff time.
     
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    Yep, hence the reason for my discussion regarding how they can resign him. The Burakovsky path just seems to be the best one to me as it frees up 3 million.
     

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