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VaxjoDevil

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Yes and it's total bull****. Tim Howard is one of the most egregious offenders when it comes to keepers abusing their defenders. Plenty of times the goal is on the keeper but you don't see him say that one's on me, he turns to his backline and curses them off.

Lol maybe he is an ass but I still wouldn't care. I played defense in soccer and goalies were literally taught to scream at us like mad. It's their role since they can see what's going on. It becomes a natural way of things to be yelled at. Admittedly after goals are scored it's a bit different.

Some ( I would say most) athletes perform better when they are a bit angry and edgy, teammates know it. I don't get the thing that it has to be some freaking UN out there.
 

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Um it’s been like this for three years. Defensive strategy is garbage. This coaching staff is mediocre at best.

Hynes is a good placeholder for where we have been at as an organization. Once we regain some winning consistency for a year or two and are contenders for the playoffs and beyond, I'm not so sure he is the right option to get us over the hump, but crazier stuff has happened.
 

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i'd like to see hynes with better assistant coaches. aside from the zacha debacle i generally like his personnel moves, he holds people accountable and isn't afraid to bench vets or push them down the lineup like we're seeing with zajac now. and when they play with the aggressiveness that he seems to envision they were at the top of the league. but the defensive system and special teams could be better and that could be fixed with a better supporting coaching staff
 

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i'd like to see hynes with better assistant coaches. aside from the zacha debacle i generally like his personnel moves, he holds people accountable and isn't afraid to bench vets or push them down the lineup like we're seeing with zajac now. and when they play with the aggressiveness that he seems to envision they were at the top of the league. but the defensive system and special teams could be better and that could be fixed with a better supporting coaching staff
How common is it for a head coach to remain after his support staff is dismissed though? Seems like a fantasy, I don’t see it happening.
 

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Um it’s been like this for three years. Defensive strategy is garbage. This coaching staff is mediocre at best.
All I know is that if we miss the playoffs this year, you can’t go into year 4 with the entire triumvirate of Hynes, Nasreddine and Ward all intact. I’d personally like to see Hynes also canned if we miss, as that would be two straight years of missing the playoffs while in a playoff spot at Thanksgiving. But at least one of those guys should probably go and sometimes after this many years, one of the assistants will go. It happens sometimes.

I’d feel better if two of the three were gone, and Hynes and Nasreddine are probably the worst of three to me. Ward knows how to run a decent power play, but makes really dumb decisions (he runs the 6 on 5 and was the one who had Zajac and I think it was Stafford, I forgot, against the CBJ, as well as many suspect PP lineups) a lot. Maybe this is Hynes having final say, I don’t know.
 
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Hynes is a good placeholder for where we have been at as an organization. Once we regain some winning consistency for a year or two and are contenders for the playoffs and beyond, I'm not so sure he is the right option to get us over the hump, but crazier stuff has happened.

Given the average shelf life of an NHL head coach he'll probably be gone within a couple years (assuming they re-sign him) anyway. He's definitely got some frustrating quirks, but most coaches do. You'll probably find "favorites" on just about every team, and the common "why are we playing this vet over that kid", etc. Hell, I'm pretty sure we've said it about just about every coach we've had.

If you look at most successful teams, the guy behind the bench for the winning probably wasn't the guy there when they were building the team up. Once we're ready to contend we'll probably go with a more experienced coach.
 

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How common is it for a head coach to remain after his support staff is dismissed though? Seems like a fantasy, I don’t see it happening.

NHL not usually but baseball I can think of a couple of examples - Bobby Valentine way back when Phillips fired his guys DURING the season, and Bruce Bochy this offseason.
 

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Given the average shelf life of an NHL head coach he'll probably be gone within a couple years (assuming they re-sign him) anyway. He's definitely got some frustrating quirks, but most coaches do. You'll probably find "favorites" on just about every team, and the common "why are we playing this vet over that kid", etc. Hell, I'm pretty sure we've said it about just about every coach we've had.

If you look at most successful teams, the guy behind the bench for the winning probably wasn't the guy there when they were building the team up. Once we're ready to contend we'll probably go with a more experienced coach.

back in the day, i thought sutter was a good caoch and was being groomed to be the gm of the devils right about now..... sadly he just stole our playbook and gave it to his brother.... at this point i think hynes is a fine coach.
 

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NHL not usually but baseball I can think of a couple of examples - Bobby Valentine way back when Phillips fired his guys DURING the season, and Bruce Bochy this offseason.
Yeah I couldn’t think of an example in the nhl. I think it’s this whole coaching staff or nothing.
 

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Maybe some team will call up and offer Nas a head coaching stint? Yeah, I peed a little bit while making that statement.

Maybe the Wilkes Barre-Scranton Pens will offer to pay him more to be their head coach than we pay him as an assistant haha.
 

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A team will sometimes flush the staff instead of foreing the head coach outright. The coach is usually fired the next season....

There is no point of firing the staff but not the head coach. You aren’t going to attract quality assistants in that situation
 

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A team will sometimes flush the staff instead of foreing the head coach outright. The coach is usually fired the next season....

There is no point of firing the staff but not the head coach. You aren’t going to attract quality assistants in that situation

Well unless said assistant thinks there's a chance he might get the job (Lindy Ruff).
 

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And the same thing would have happened.

So in retrospect there was nothing wrong with a split.

You don't know that.

Cory could've stopped 2 of the goals the Rags scored and the Devils would've at least got it to OT and got an undeserved point out of it.

We'll never truly know because......Hynes.
 

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You don't know that.

Cory could've stopped 2 of the goals the Rags scored and the Devils would've at least got it to OT and got an undeserved point out of it.

We'll never truly know because......Hynes.

Yes I do because we played the same way against Columbus and Cory gave up 5.

Honestly this sounds like complaining just to complain
 

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Regardless of last game, I’m tired of Kinkaid. Not interested in seeing him for a while, he’s played like garbage this season and doesn’t give us a chance to win. In 3 of his 5 wins, we bailed him out.

If the team is the reason he sucks this year, why does Cory allow approximately 0.80 fewer goals per game behind the same team? GAA is a team stat, but it’s useful when comparing two different goaltenders on the same team. One has a GAA of 3.5 almost, and the other has a GAA of 2.72.

We can absolve him blame of a single game if we want, but he ain’t getting it done this year. That’s the bottom line. Hynes needs to think about not playing him this week.
 

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You don't know that.

Cory could've stopped 2 of the goals the Rags scored and the Devils would've at least got it to OT and got an undeserved point out of it.

We'll never truly know because......Hynes.

Hynes did what many coaches do these days and split a back-to-back between their goalies. Let it go already.
 

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Hynes did what many coaches do these days and split a back-to-back between their goalies. Let it go already.
I don't blame him last time, but next you got to really think about not doing this and seeing how it works once.

Let's see how the week goes, but he really shouldn't be announcing after practice this Wednesday that they'll split the back to back. Just take it game by game. I keep waiting for Kinkaid to have a good game, if not just by complete accident. Even Pavelec has a rare good game tonight. I was talking about how brutal Kinkaid had been even before the Rangers game. This could quite possibly be the worst 6 consecutive starts he's had in his NHL career. He was solid in 14-15 and 16-17, so I don't think he had a stretch like this those years. He had a similar type season in 15-16 and had some clunkers, so maybe he did that year. I thought he was good last year. He did have the worst start in his NHL career, which was that game at Barclays Center in February, where he allowed 4 very horrid goals. Otherwise, he played well in most of his games last year, behind a very poor team.

It feels like we rarely have two good goaltenders on the team in the same year. 14-15 and maybe the year Clemmensen played good in 08-09 and Marty was stlll good, those are the exceptions since the 05 lockout. Terreri was awful after he came back in the late 90’s-early 00’s. And Clemmensen was really horrific between 2005 and 2007. Schwab was good as a backup between 2002 and 2004, but it feels like he only started a handful of games over 1.5 seasons.
 
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