Jim Benning Era Transaction Summary

[VanJack]

With the benefit of hindsight, I think most posters would have to concede that the Canucks clearly 'lost' the Kesler trade; the Sutter deal; and the Gudbranson trade.....The major UFA signings, Eriksson, Gagner, Del Zotto, Nillson, Burmistrov, Wiercioch and Rodin ranged from mediocre to outright disastrous.

The only 'marginal' wins would be Granlund for Shinkaruk and Baertschi for a second rounder.....although that second rounder peddled to Flames became d-man Rasmus Anderson who's one the best prospects they have outside the NHL...and I suppose upon reflection, a second rounder for Bieksa was a 'win', but of course Jimbo immediately flipped it.

As for the rest of the minor deals....Pouliot, Etem, Dowd, Clendening, Kassian, Prust and Pedan....we're kidding here, right?

 

[Intangibos]

With the benefit of hindsight, I think most posters would have to concede that the Canucks clearly 'lost' the Kesler trade; the Sutter deal; and the Gudbranson trade.....The major UFA signings, Eriksson, Gagner, Del Zotto, Nillson, Burmistrov, Wiercioch and Rodin ranged from mediocre to outright disastrous.

The only 'marginal' wins would be Granlund for Shinkaruk and Baertschi for a second rounder.....although that second rounder peddled to Flames became d-man Rasmus Anderson who's one the best prospects they have outside the NHL...and I suppose upon reflection, a second rounder for Bieksa was a 'win', but of course Jimbo immediately flipped it.

As for the rest of the minor deals....Pouliot, Etem, Dowd, Clendening, Kassian, Prust and Pedan....we're kidding here, right?

It's no wonder they bring up the Baertschi trade as their best acquisition, it's because it's literally the only win they have. Sure Granlund is 'better' than Shinkaruk, but not only is he a player that you can have for pennies, do we even know he actually is better than Shinkaruk? Sure Granlund is in the NHL, but who here actually thinks he deserves to be? He can't score, he can't play defence, I doubt he gets picked up on waivers. There is legitimately a good chance that Shinkaruk is a better player than Granlund because even extremely marginal fringe players can be better than Granlund.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

All of this was pretty clear in 2013 when they didn't blow it up immediately. Anyone with half a brain and a knowledge of hockey knew it was going to be a long slog as they continued to sort-of-kind-of-not-rebuild.

 

[Intangibos]

All of this was pretty clear in 2013 when they didn't blow it up immediately. Anyone with half a brain and a knowledge of hockey knew it was going to be a long slog as they continued to sort-of-kind-of-not-rebuild.

Yeah, but it just got worse and worse and then he gets extended. If there was a poll here in 2014 about Benning getting an extension I wonder what the results would be. Not whether or not he would deserve it, but whether he would get one. I bet you only the most nihilistic people here would have voted yes.

 

[VanJack]

So it's now official.....with the Biega signing the Canucks are bringing back their entire blueline corps from this season.....by whatever statistical yardstick you use, this has to be one of the worst bluelines in the entire league.....they bleed scoring chances; generate next to nothing offensively; and are either too small or too slow to separate the puck from the forechecker and transition it up ice.

But to be fair, am I missing something? Are they really not as bad as they look?.....Would you bring this entire group back intact?

 

[DL44]

Never.

Status quo is not an option. I would almost bet the house at least 2 d are gone. Maybe 3.

 

[iceburg]

So it's now official.....with the Biega signing the Canucks are bringing back their entire blueline corps from this season.....by whatever statistical yardstick you use, this has to be one of the worst bluelines in the entire league.....they bleed scoring chances; generate next to nothing offensively; and are either too small or too slow to separate the puck from the forechecker and transition it up ice.

But to be fair, am I missing something? Are they really not as bad as they look?.....Would you bring this entire group back intact?

Del Zotto will be traded in the summer. They will make room for Juolevi.

 

[kanuck87]

So it's now official.....with the Biega signing the Canucks are bringing back their entire blueline corps from this season.....by whatever statistical yardstick you use, this has to be one of the worst bluelines in the entire league.....they bleed scoring chances; generate next to nothing offensively; and are either too small or too slow to separate the puck from the forechecker and transition it up ice.

But to be fair, am I missing something? Are they really not as bad as they look?.....Would you bring this entire group back intact?

I hope we don't bring MDZ back. He is what he is at this point and he's awful. I would like to get rid of Pouliot and Gudbranson as well, but that's likely not going to happen.

 

[ChefBoiRD]

The Gudbranson trade

Florida

McCann - 7 goals 12 assists

Asplund - (drafted with our 2nd pick) 8 goals 20 assists. Sits 38th in the SHL in scoring. Sabres ended up with the pick

Ang - 10 goals 16 assists drafted with our 4th pick

Vancouver

Gudbranson - 2 goals 3 assists (extended with a reasonable contract)

Cole Candella - 5 goals 26 assists drafted with the 5th from Florida

Yup no rumaway winner here

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

I hope we don't bring MDZ back. He is what he is at this point and he's awful. I would like to get rid of Pouliot and Gudbranson as well, but that's likely not going to happen.

MDZ is not the the only issue on defence.The whole core is pretty awful.It really needs to be totally gutted.Getting that #1 pick would totally shake things up a little.

 

[VanJack]

It would be laughable, if it weren't so sad.....Benning went out and signed six UFA's last summer and the only guy who panned out was Vanek, and he netted them Motte, who looks to be an NHL-AHL 'tweener'..... some others are either in the minors or gone from the organization. And the only guys left, Gagner and Del Zotto, have albatross contracts the Canucks will never be able to trade.

Suddenly GM's like Joe Sakic and Ray Shero aren't looking as bad anymore.

 

[pgj98m3]

So it's now official.....with the Biega signing the Canucks are bringing back their entire blueline corps from this season.....by whatever statistical yardstick you use, this has to be one of the worst bluelines in the entire league.....they bleed scoring chances; generate next to nothing offensively; and are either too small or too slow to separate the puck from the forechecker and transition it up ice.

But to be fair, am I missing something? Are they really not as bad as they look?.....Would you bring this entire group back intact?

If possible I would trade every single one of them...get value for Edler/Tanev , give Hutton a chance to save his career, Biega should get a pick and the rest can be traded for sticks and pucks.

 

[Nucker42]

It would be laughable, if it weren't so sad.....Benning went out and signed six UFA's last summer and the only guy who panned out was Vanek, and he netted them Motte, who looks to be an NHL-AHL 'tweener'..... some others are either in the minors or gone from the organization. And the only guys left, Gagner and Del Zotto, have albatross contracts the Canucks will never be able to trade.

Suddenly GM's like Joe Sakic and Ray Shero aren't looking as bad anymore.

MDZ has been the only healthy Canucks d-man all year. He has been fine, not great but not bad. Name anyone other than Boeser who has been great this year. The contract is 2.5 million which isn't bad at all.

Gagner is all clearly a PP specialist and guess what, the PP has been great this year. None of these guys were brought in to be game changers. Gagner is on a decent contract.

Burmistrov was a bust, but he decided to give up. Who cares, contract terminated.

Weircoch has helped the Comets.

Nilsson, Anders hasn't been good but like I said earlier, who has?

Benning made some shrewd pick ups, Leipsic & Motte have a chance. Vanek might come back next year.

Next year, Canucks have EP, Demko, Dahlin, Juolivi, Gaudette... plus a top 5 pick coming up.

About time for people to stop crying about everything.

 

[Pip]

Gagner has been absolutely brutal and is not the reason we’ve had a good powerplay. The Sedins, Vanek, and Boeser are why the powerplay has been good

 

[DL44]

Gagner has been absolutely brutal and is not the reason we’ve had a good powerplay. The Sedins, Vanek, and Boeser are why the powerplay has been good

Lots to bitch and moan about, but Gagner has been working his arse off this season. He's not producing enough, but he's been reliable and versatile.
Calling him "absolutely brutal" is inaccurate and unnecessary.

 

[pgj98m3]

Lots to ***** and moan about, but Gagner has been working his arse off this season. He's not producing enough, but he's been reliable and versatile.
Calling him "absolutely brutal" is inaccurate and unnecessary.

Minus 18 is absolutely brutal ........

 

[Ryp37]

MDZ has been the only healthy Canucks d-man all year. He has been fine, not great but not bad. Name anyone other than Boeser who has been great this year. The contract is 2.5 million which isn't bad at all.

Gagner is all clearly a PP specialist and guess what, the PP has been great this year. None of these guys were brought in to be game changers. Gagner is on a decent contract.

Burmistrov was a bust, but he decided to give up. Who cares, contract terminated.

Weircoch has helped the Comets.

Nilsson, Anders hasn't been good but like I said earlier, who has?

Benning made some shrewd pick ups, Leipsic & Motte have a chance. Vanek might come back next year.

Next year, Canucks have EP, Demko, Dahlin, Juolivi, Gaudette... plus a top 5 pick coming up.

About time for people to stop crying about everything.

Ah yes, the blind optimist outlook.

Also if they did research on Gagner they woulda known he was a pp specialist and signed him to something more appropriate, instead these donkeys call him Sedin insurance (despite playing wing)and gave him 3 years

 

[krutovsdonut]

is there not another thread this discussion can go to? this thread is useful for summarizing and tracking team transactions. nothing on the current page contributes to those things.

 

[pgj98m3]

MDZ has been the only healthy Canucks d-man all year. He has been fine, not great but not bad. Name anyone other than Boeser who has been great this year. The contract is 2.5 million which isn't bad at all.

Gagner is all clearly a PP specialist and guess what, the PP has been great this year. None of these guys were brought in to be game changers. Gagner is on a decent contract.

Burmistrov was a bust, but he decided to give up. Who cares, contract terminated.

Weircoch has helped the Comets.

Nilsson, Anders hasn't been good but like I said earlier, who has?

Benning made some shrewd pick ups, Leipsic & Motte have a chance. Vanek might come back next year.

Next year, Canucks have EP, Demko, Dahlin, Juolivi, Gaudette... plus a top 5 pick coming up.

About time for people to stop crying about everything.

Gagner is minus 18.....worth repeating....minus 18.

Leipsic and Motte are at best AHLers

Hoping someone "might come back" is just stupid

 

[ChefBoiRD]

With the benefit of hindsight, I think most posters would have to concede that the Canucks clearly 'lost' the Kesler trade; the Sutter deal; and the Gudbranson trade.....The major UFA signings, Eriksson, Gagner, Del Zotto, Nillson, Burmistrov, Wiercioch and Rodin ranged from mediocre to outright disastrous.

The only 'marginal' wins would be Granlund for Shinkaruk and Baertschi for a second rounder.....although that second rounder peddled to Flames became d-man Rasmus Anderson who's one the best prospects they have outside the NHL...and I suppose upon reflection, a second rounder for Bieksa was a 'win', but of course Jimbo immediately flipped it.

As for the rest of the minor deals....Pouliot, Etem, Dowd, Clendening, Kassian, Prust and Pedan....we're kidding here, right?

Do UFA signings take away assets that could be used towards a rebuild? Ohhhhh, the cap, rrrrright.

Set forth your spin. I can see it now

 

[ChefBoiRD]

Gagner is minus 18.....worth repeating....minus 18.

Leipsic and Motte are at best AHLers

Hoping someone "might come back" is just stupid

Not as bad as the Buffalo Sabre UFA signing Okposo. Worst plus/minus in the league for a forward. What is it? Minus 29 or something. What did the rebuilding Sabres sign him for in 2016? $7 year 7 million per? Can't remember. Might have to do with Jim Benning once working there. Blame Jim!

 

[pgj98m3]

Not as bad as the Buffalo Sabre UFA signing Okposo. Worst plus/minus in the league for a forward. What is it? Minus 29 or something. What did the rebuilding Sabres sign him for in 2016? $7 year 7 million per? Can't remember. Might have to do with Jim Benning once working there. Blame Jim!

Well that's something to be proud of...we don't have the worst contract. Kudos to Benning.

 

[ChefBoiRD]

Well that's something to be proud of...we don't have the worst contract. Kudos to Benning.

Gagner 3 year contract $3.15 million per year, No NTC 28 years old

Okposo 7 year contract $6 million per year, 1st 2 years NTC, last 5 modified 29 years old

Okposo worst plus minus forward in the league Minus 29

 

[Addison Rae]

Lots to ***** and moan about, but Gagner has been working his arse off this season. He's not producing enough, but he's been reliable and versatile.
Calling him "absolutely brutal" is inaccurate and unnecessary.

Reliable hahahahaha and working his ass off hahahahaha

you can’t be serious I just thought you were awful at evaluating dman, turns out it’s just hockey players.

 

[pgj98m3]

Gagner 3 year contract $3.15 million per year, No NTC 28 years old

Okposo 7 year contract $6 million per year, 1st 2 years NTC, last 5 modified 29 years old

Okposo worst plus minus forward in the league Minus 29

Yea we got it there is a worse contract out there.....please don't give Benning any ideas.