Speculation: Jets General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation 16-17 Part XV

[Romang67]

Continued from:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2108415

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Hmmm maybe LA and Cal will be desperate for a goalie after all You can't go winless for long and the season is over almost before it starts.

aaaand Ondrej Pavelec is supposed to help them win how?

I did argue that, by stating pavelec at a 1.95 million cap hit is negative value in a trade. Keri Ramo is still available as a free agent, I know he's not a world beater but his career numbers are similar to pavs if they want a stopgap goalie. I'm sure there are cheaper, better options than pavs availiable by trade too. So I repeat, I don't see the incentive for la to make this trade.

You trade for another bloated contract.

I see Pavelec as a trade deadline move to a team with goalie injuries and needing a backup. Jets retain max salary for maybe a late round pick. That's probably only possible way he's traded.

Would it be possible to trade, say, Trouba for Fowler and Jacob Larsson? Do we add something small?

Does Anaheim do it?

Carry on.

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[kxx]

Need Morrissey to be good.

Increases value of Trouba in a trade if we aren't desperate.

I know everyone is saying that Chevy will be patient and thats fine but really don't want to see us lose more than we have to.

 

[allan5oh]

Need Morrissey to be good.

Increases value of Trouba in a trade if we aren't desperate.

I know everyone is saying that Chevy will be patient and thats fine but really don't want to see us lose more than we have to.

You're right Morrissey has everything to do with this. If he's good enough they might just trade for futures or some sort of now/futures package.

 

[nobody important]

You're right Morrissey has everything to do with this. If he's good enough they might just trade for futures or some sort of now/futures package.

Given the expansion draft, my hope is for futures more than now. One less D to be protected leaves squat for LV to pick from. Let's protect more current assets, and get a couple of promising prospects. I don't mind if it sets our window of opportunity back a year or two.

 

[Aavco Cup]

OMG could xmas come early?.......... For Holden I mean

 

[truck]

OMG could xmas come early?.......... For Holden I mean

Was about to post the same!

 

[blues10]

OMG could xmas come early?.......... For Holden I mean

Oh my! I am going to crack open a wobbly pop in celebration. Chevy has now fielded at least 1 call on Pavs rather than getting hung up on trying to peddle Pavs to teams.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Hmm. Pavelec (50% retained) for Scuderi (no retention, would just bury him in the minors) + whatever other junk the Kings want to give away?

 

[Guardian17]

OMG could xmas come early?.......... For Holden I mean

Wouldn't this be great for the Jets!

 

[sully1410]

Hmm. Pavelec (50% retained) for Scuderi (no retention, would just bury him in the minors) + whatever other junk the Kings want to give away?

Why would we do this? It's not like the are doing us a huge favor by taking Pavelec. His cap hit is only 3.9 anyways so it's not like it's crippling.

 

[Gm0ney]

Hmm. Pavelec (50% retained) for Scuderi (no retention, would just bury him in the minors) + whatever other junk the Kings want to give away?

Scuderi, Stu and Strait in the same organization? Another word beginning with "S" comes to mind...

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Why would we do this? It's not like the are doing us a huge favor by taking Pavelec. His cap hit is only 3.9 anyways so it's not like it's crippling.

His cap hit is actually $2.95M now that he's buried. Scuderi's would only be 175K.

Let's be honest here, it's likely that's only kind of trade that anyone would do for Pavelec. I would be shocked if there was any kind of draft pick or plus asset coming back, even at 50% retained.

 

[surixon]

Why would we do this? It's not like the are doing us a huge favor by taking Pavelec. His cap hit is only 3.9 anyways so it's not like it's crippling.

Agreed. If the Kings are a bit desperate than make them cough up a kid round pick for us to eat half the salary. No way do we need to take a terrible player back as well.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Agreed. If the Kings are a bit desperate than make them cough up a kid round pick for us to eat half the salary. No way do we need to take a terrible player back as well.

We'd be taking back a terrible player's cap hit, which is significantly less than Pavelec's. Scuderi goes to the Moose, and at most is an emergency call-up who is likely better than Melchiori and Strait.

The desperation on the part of the Kings would be to take on a $1.45M cap hit for a replacement level goalie.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We'd be taking back a terrible player's cap hit, which is significantly less than Pavelec's. Scuderi goes to the Moose, and at most is an emergency call-up who is likely better than Melchiori and Strait.

The desperation on the part of the Kings would be to take on a $1.45M cap hit for a replacement level goalie.

Its not like we need the cap space. There is no advantage to that at all. There would be some actual money in Chipman's pocket which is not a bad thing.

If they are desperate enough to want to take a shot on Pav the best value to us is as an add to a bigger trade.

 

[HannuJ]

Hmm. Pavelec (50% retained) for Scuderi (no retention, would just bury him in the minors) + whatever other junk the Kings want to give away?

this makes zero sense.
trade a player that 1 team views as an asset for their bag of garbage?

you trade pavs for a 3rd round pick. maybe retain 33% salary

 

[GeorgeJETson]

OMG could xmas come early?.......... For Holden I mean

I better be very nice to my wife over the next few days, 'cause if that happens, it will be pretty awful around my place...

 

[Hank Chinaski]

this makes zero sense.
trade a player that 1 team views as an asset for their bag of garbage?

you trade pavs for a 3rd round pick. maybe retain 33% salary

You can't be serious. Neuvirth was dealt for a 3rd round pick and a lame goalie. There's no chance Pavelec fetches that kind of return.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You can't be serious. Neuvirth was dealt for a 3rd round pick and a lame goalie. There's no chance Pavelec fetches that kind of return.

For a start I don't think we can talk about any less than max (50%) retention. I would be more than happy with a late round pick. TBH I would be happy with a 7th but I'm easily pleased.

 

[KingBogo]

For a start I don't think we can talk about any less than max (50%) retention. I would be more than happy with a late round pick. TBH I would be happy with a 7th but I'm easily pleased.

Agreed 50% retention would be required. Interesting thought none the less.

 

[royalwoodJet]

I hope the Jets wouldn't have to send another team a prospect to eat Pavs' contract. Would they? a la Bickell

 

[Whileee]

I hope the Jets wouldn't have to send another team a prospect to eat Pavs' contract. Would they? a la Bickell

Jets don't need to do that because they have plenty of cap space. In the worst case scenario they just ride out Pavs last contract year and clear his contract from the books next year.

 

[larmex99]

I hope the Jets wouldn't have to send another team a prospect to eat Pavs' contract. Would they? a la Bickell

Jets don't need to buy cap space. They would be happy to pickup a bit of cash on moving him but are not likely to pay more than part of his salary.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

We'd be taking back a terrible player's cap hit, which is significantly less than Pavelec's. Scuderi goes to the Moose, and at most is an emergency call-up who is likely better than Melchiori and Strait.

The desperation on the part of the Kings would be to take on a $1.45M cap hit for a replacement level goalie.

I think the table lamp on my desk here is better than Strait.

 

[Dirty30]

I wasn't aware that Lindholms agent is Claude Lemieux.....the father of Winnipeg Jets prospects Brandon Lemieux.