Confirmed with Link: Jets acquire Joe Morrow from Montreal for 4th round pick (2018)

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He is a 6/7/8 defenseman that flew in, had one practice with new team and partner and played against one of the best teams in the league. Not a recipe for success, nor a measuring stick for the guy.

Perfectly said. How about a few more games from the guy before the torches and pitchforks come out? If Stastny had sucked last night, the narrative would have been exactly this: "well he just got in, new linemates, new systems, only one practice" etc etc. Very few would have been calling for his head. It could very well be Morrow ends up sucking balls big time, but talk about reactionary!
 

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Perfectly said. How about a few more games from the guy before the torches and pitchforks come out? If Stastny had sucked last night, the narrative would have been exactly this: "well he just got in, new linemates, new systems, only one practice" etc etc. Very few would have been calling for his head. It could very well be Morrow ends up sucking balls big time, but talk about reactionary!

Why do we always act like these people don’t have histories on other teams?

Stastny would be different because he hasn’t sucked on other teams.
 

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I won't use it til the playoffs, but..

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Why do we always act like these people don’t have histories on other teams?

Stastny would be different because he hasn’t sucked on other teams.

In retrospect, I have to agree that discounting a players history on other teams was a tad dumb of me.
 

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You ain’t dumb at all. :)

I mean there’s a chance that in time Morrow could become better than what he has been. But I understand nervousness of someone performing poorly who has consistently performed poorly at this level.

I have soft spot for second chances, underdogs and hard luck cases...probably like most Jets fans :laugh:
 

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Why do we always act like these people don’t have histories on other teams?

Stastny would be different because he hasn’t sucked on other teams.
Why does saying a one game sample size with a new team and new partner isn't a measuring stick mean everyone is ignoring history. He is also a former late first round draft pick with some pedigree, no one said he should be thought of as a 3/4/5 d-man.
 

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With Chevy admitting that we offered him a contract in the Summer (Morrow chose Montreal because he had played for Julien in Boston), and with Morrow being an RFA I wonder if remaining games this season are an audition for next year? He replaces Enstrom if Toby continues to slide/wants too much money/term? I'd imagine with Morrow making $650,000 this year he wont be expensive to resign even if he plays well here.
 

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With Chevy admitting that we offered him a contract in the Summer (Morrow chose Montreal because he had played for Julien in Boston), and with Morrow being an RFA I wonder if remaining games this season are an audition for next year? He replaces Enstrom if Toby continues to slide/wants too much money/term? I'd imagine with Morrow making $650,000 this year he wont be expensive to resign even if he plays well here.
Him replacing Toby would be horrible. That's a massive downgrade. Toby has been really good this year, not 5.75 million dollar good but a very strong contributor defensively.
 

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Him replacing Toby would be horrible. That's a massive downgrade. Toby has been really good this year, not 5.75 million dollar good but a very strong contributor defensively.
I'm not arguing that, just spitballing I guess. Depends on what Toby is asking for I suppose. Just found it interesting that Chevy seems to have liked Morrow for awhile (who I admittedly dont know much about). and with raises due for some of our forwards plus Trouba and Morrissey, we are going have an expensive D core and something has to give. I'm hoping Enstrom will sign a 1 or 2 year deal for cheap to bridge until some of prospects are ready.
 

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To me, Morrow is more of a rental than Stastny. If Morrow performs well for the remainder of this season, he gets an offer. I'd guess that Stastny gets an extension offer no matter what.
 

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With Chevy admitting that we offered him a contract in the Summer (Morrow chose Montreal because he had played for Julien in Boston), and with Morrow being an RFA I wonder if remaining games this season are an audition for next year? He replaces Enstrom if Toby continues to slide/wants too much money/term? I'd imagine with Morrow making $650,000 this year he wont be expensive to resign even if he plays well here.

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Why does saying a one game sample size with a new team and new partner isn't a measuring stick mean everyone is ignoring history. He is also a former late first round draft pick with some pedigree, no one said he should be thought of as a 3/4/5 d-man.

I’m just pointing out we have more than last game to indicate how good/bad Morrow is. Stastny performing poorly for one game with his history is different than Morrow as Morrow has a lot more poor games on his resume.

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I’m just pointing out we have more than last game to indicate how good/bad Morrow is. Stastny performing poorly for one game with his history is different than Morrow as Morrow has a lot more poor games on his resume.

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Fair enough, again though, different system, different partners will affect style and quality of play. Could be worse, same or better, a larger sample size is still needed was all I was saying. Agree that history was not great though.
 

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Fair enough, again though, different system, different partners will affect style and quality of play. Could be worse, same or better, a larger sample size is still needed was all I was saying. Agree that history was not great though.

Better usage and system will impact results but it’s not going to make someone not good enough for the NHL spontaneously good enough.
 
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Have never liked Morrow as a player and don't get Chevy's interest in him, especially with Poolman having played well in his games this season. There's depth, and there's deep, deep AHL-tweener depth. I feel like Morrow's the latter.
 

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Better usage and system will impact results but it’s not going to make someone not good enough for the NHL spontaneously good enough.
Haven't seen enough of him to form an opinion myself, statistically speaking you appear be correct, but even statistically is he worse than Chiarot? I can't compare numbers with yours for Morrow (the ones I am looking at don't quite jive) but what I am looking at says no, but not much of an improvement.
 
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Better usage and system will impact results but it’s not going to make someone not good enough for the NHL spontaneously good enough.

The biggest factors in growing as a player are level of competition & ice time. Morrow has played 104 NHL games in 4 years & has played 3 AHL games since the 2014 season. He's been a healthy scratch for a 2/3'rds of his NHL career. It's pretty hard to improve on the bench.

Paul Postma found himself in the same position. Yes Postma is presently at best a 7/8 defensemen, but had he had the opportunity to play 240 NHL games over the past 3 season he'd almost certainly be a far better player at present.

There's a very small window of opportunity for players & the competition for these opportunities is substantial.

At this point it's doubtful Morrow ever become a fixture on any NHL blue line. There's a lot of factors as to why a player with his pedigree hasn't progressed, but I'd suggest if he wasn't ready for a full time spot on the Bruins blue line back in his 3rd pro season, he should have been left in the AHL until he was either ready or until waiver eligibility forced the Bruins to make him a healthy scratch.

In my opinion calling up any 21-24 year old player from the AHL only to have him watch over half a season from the press box is terrible asset management.
 
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Have never liked Morrow as a player and don't get Chevy's interest in him, especially with Poolman having played well in his games this season. There's depth, and there's deep, deep AHL-tweener depth. I feel like Morrow's the latter.

Never liked Morrow as a player? You must be a hell of a hockey fan to have followed a perennial press box sitter closely enough to make that statement.
 

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I will give Morrow time before saying yay or nay... just like Tanev...

He deserves it...

How often is Chevy and his team wrong?

I like those odds...

Better than gambling...
 

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I will give Morrow time before saying yay or nay... just like Tanev...

He deserves it...

How often is Chevy and his team wrong?

I like those odds...

Better than gambling...
Well in the last few years Chevy and his team have brought in defensive stalwarts such as Brian Strait and Andrew MacWilliam and moved up to draft Logan Stanley, so.... ;)
 
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How is that in comparison to other 7 / 8 D?

I’m just pointing out we have more than last game to indicate how good/bad Morrow is. Stastny performing poorly for one game with his history is different than Morrow as Morrow has a lot more poor games on his resume.

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2016-17 playoffs -8.0
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Why do we always act like these people don’t have histories on other teams?

Stastny would be different because he hasn’t sucked on other teams.



Is it possible that we'd rather form our opinions with our own eyes?

Or possibly, we put more emphases on present, than the past?

Could be that some believe environmental influences that existed with another team, will not be present with the current team?

Or a little of all of the above.

Has a player ever improved due to a change in scenery? Yup
 

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