Hunter Gathers
The Crown
Just scored his 600th goal VS Johan Holmqvist and the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Congrats Jaromir!
Congrats Jaromir!
Even a meaningless game he plays in now takes on some importance for me because i realise there are only so many more opportunities to see him play hockey from here on in.When he's on the tube i make sure to watch,he's now in the backend of his career and he's always been an awfully fun guy to watch over the years.
I suggest watching him play as often as you can from here on in while he's still at the top of his game.
Agreed. It's going to be extremely sad the day he hangs up his skates. One of the most electrifying players of all time.
I posted that in a few other threads, figured I would post it again for you guys and gals. Congrats Jag'sJagr's Milestone Goals
Goal Date Goaltender
1 10/7/1990 Chris Terreri
100 11/3/1993 Grant Fuhr
200 2/7/1996 Martin Brodeur
300 4/15/1998 Mark Fitzpatrick
400 11/13/2000 Patrick Roy
500 2/4/2003 John Grahame
600 11/19/2006 Johan Holmqvist
Gawd that's a good comparison. Very reasonable.It's fair to say he's top 20 all-time, around the likes of Mikita, Lafleur and Esposito.
Pfft. You humans and your base-10 accomplishments. 601 is the next prime number. Now THAT will be an accomplishment.
He's a gem for sure.One of the funnest guys to watch play that i've ever seen,A true hockey artist.
I'm sure posters vary on the part of his game that they like the best but for me it was always watching his work coming out of the corners that i've always been partial to,i think he's about the best i've ever seen in that respect.His size,skating stride,strength and skill wheeling out of there even in the clutch and grab era was always a treat to watch.Even with behemoths leaning on him he'd just keep his position with those strong legs and upper body and then use his great hands and stickhandling to juke a few other guys and then make a scoring play with either a sweet pass or the shot himself.
I'll always think of that when i remember him playing once he's gone.
Pfft. You humans and your base-10 accomplishments. 601 is the next prime number. Now THAT will be an accomplishment.
I know you think very highly of Jagr. Talent alone he would probably be top 5. Jagr isn't on the same level as Howe. A couple of weeks back I was looking at how many times Howe finished in the top ten in scoring. Goals he was 19 times in the top ten, 10 times he was top three and he finished 1st 5 times in the league.Probably as good as any player (or at least forward) ever at even strength, probably as good as any wing ever. Only players to top his offensive production at his peak were Gretzky and Lemieux, with Jagr and Esposito battling for third/fourth.
The numbers seem to say: Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, Howe/Esposito
I would rank them more like: Lemieux, Gretzky, Jagr/Howe, Esposito
No question Jagr will be thought of as an all-time great & will most likely crack the top 10 forwards. However, top 5 is highly unlikely. He will never surpass Lemieux, Howe, Gretzy, Hull & Beliveau. Take it from someone who saw all these guys play. By the way you also have Esposito ranked way too high.It will also tie Kurri for most career NHL goals by any non-North American.
Only 3 points from matching Mikita's most career NHL points by any non-NA.
What's amazing is that he has played during an era averaging less than 6 goals per game, not the 7-8 goals per game of the 70s & 80s. Add in the 118 games he missed to labor disputes, and his adjusted totals are incredible.
Jagr's claim as an all-time great:
5 Art Rosses (twice runner-up), 3 Pearsons, a Hart (and a finalist 5-6 times for each), 2 Stanley Cups, triple gold (Cup,Olympics,WC), 7 times a first team all-star, 14 consecutive 30 goal seasons, 600 goals, closing in on 1500 points, 67 playoff goals, 155 playoff points, led the NHL in assists 3 times, led the NHL in both even strength points and ES assists in the same season 3 times (only player since at least 80s to accomplish it even once), captain of 2 NHL teams, +249 career and made playoffs 13/15 years on mostly mediocre teams, NHL season records for points and assists by a RW, Ranger season records for goals and points... and he's still at or near his best (once his shoulder is fully healed, perhaps new & improved?).
Probably as good as any player (or at least forward) ever at even strength, probably as good as any wing ever. Only players to top his offensive production at his peak were Gretzky and Lemieux, with Jagr and Esposito battling for third/fourth.
The numbers seem to say: Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, Howe/Esposito
I would rank them more like: Lemieux, Gretzky, Jagr/Howe, Esposito
Greatest European to ever play the game.
This thread has nothing to do with Dominik Hasek
I know you think very highly of Jagr. Talent alone he would probably be top 5. Jagr isn't on the same level as Howe. A couple of weeks back I was looking at how many times Howe finished in the top ten in scoring. Goals he was 19 times in the top ten, 10 times he was top three and he finished 1st 5 times in the league.
Assists he was in the top ten 22 times which is amazing. Players are lucky if they play 22 seasons. 21 times he was in the top ten with points. He finished with 6 Hart Trophies and was in the top 5 of voting 16 times.
I know there are some that rank Jagr in the top five of all time but for me to put him in that group he would have to play another 6 years, get a couple more Hart Trophies and lead his team to the Cup. Even if he did that I still don't think I would put him in the top five. I would rank him with regards to forwards around 10-15. It will be interesting when he retires to see where people will rank him.
I'd go with Stan Mikita myself, reck, but that's just me, and that's only if you count Mikita as a European. While Jagr's comparable with Mikita offensively, Jagr didn't have Mikita's all-round game. Don't let those two Lady Byng Trophies fool you; Mikita was a very physical player. I believe he holds the record for most PIM's for an Art Ross winner.
You could also make a case for Fetisov, Lidstrom or Kurri as the best ever.