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i think common sense would point to that meaning from 5th to 10th not top 5 and top 10
Jamie Oleksiak: Starting to deliver on his potential
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i think common sense would point to that meaning from 5th to 10th not top 5 and top 10
Michael Farkas
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When the stage gets bigger, and the opposition becomes routinely tougher, players with lower hockey sense tend to get exposed first...the first thing to get taken out from under your feet in a playoff game vs a season game is time. If you know his game well enough (Stars fans largely do), this comes as no surprise.
As usual, I do take exception to most averaging stats, as they are generally not helpful...so I'll say this to actually back your point further:
There were only two competitive games in the series from a score perspective (games 5 and 6 + game 2, where Pittsburgh was in it on the scoresheet thru 2, I suppose), look at 3rd period TOI for Oleksiak:
Game 1 (Pit up 5-0 after 2): 5:18
Game 2 (Phi up 2-0): 2:24
Game 3 (Pit up 4-1): 3:13
Game 4 (Pit up 4-0): 4:32
Game 5 (tied 2-2): 2:58
Game 6 (tied 4-4): 3:29 (2:30 of which came after we had taken a commanding lead for good...he was out there to soak up all the beer)
And that's ok. I had no misconceptions about him at any point, so this is the expected result. For some Pens fans, maybe the ilk that try to convince people that Olli Maatta is bad somehow for instance, this is a shoulder shake...
DudeWhereIsMakar
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The thing I find amazing about Pittsburgh is that they tend to turn given up potential into the potential they truly have. They've done it with so many players.
Rodgerwilco
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When a guy has been playing for a bad team it gives him a huge boost being moved into a very good organization. It's hard to bring yourself to top competitive level when you're playing for a bad team, or knowing that even if you have the best game of your career, it probably won't make any lasting impact.
BlueBull
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As long as, "deliver on his potential" == 4th round pick #6 d-man which it is for the Pens. He is never going to deliver on his #14 draft pick potential.
Dr Pepper
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....Probably not.
Anyone who was a Stars fan prior to Penny's emergence in 2016, knew of Jamie Oleksiak for a couple years.
It was only in 2016 that I learned he had a younger, more talented sister.
BlueBull
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Ditto.....Probably not.
Anyone who was a Stars fan prior to Penny's emergence in 2016, knew of Jamie Oleksiak for a couple years.
It was only in 2016 that I learned he had a younger, more talented sister.
His 18 year old sister has more olympic golds than her brother
Kcb12345
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Ranked top 5 for the first half of 2018, then ranked top 10 for the 2nd half (because of the offensive collapse that cost us games post-trade deadline). Not sure what's hard to understand there it's just facts. He got more than enough of a chance here and the trades worked out well for both teams. You guys get a bottom pairing #7 dman and we get a 4th round pick to a dman that should've been on waivers already
SUBdrewgANS
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Ditto.
His 18 year old sister has more olympic golds than her brother
So what's funny about that?
Her being a great athlete should have nothing to do with how her brother is perceived.
BlueBull
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I am teasing a little bit.
I know how good he is, I know how good his sister is.
They are two different athletes, both who are pretty good at the sport they do.
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Not at all, he was still a top 15 1st round pick. Hardly someone who didn't generate discussion in his draft year.
Never heard of Penny. Jamie I've seen in the AHL (Texas Stars in Austin/Cedar Park) and thought he had some mad offensive skill.
Dipsy Doodle
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You have unrealistic ideas about what a #14 overall pick generally becomes.
Oleksiak is presently playing well in a bottom pairing role, producing, and serving as our heavy when necessary. And that's just the development he's shown in the very little time he's been in Pittsburgh.
Honour Over Glory
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And yet he's playing like a solid #5, so you get a very late 4th round pick that with your luck, might end up being a player you trade to Florida or someone else anyway after he hasn't panned out in Texas.
In any case, thanks for Oleksiak.
I guess Niskanen was just a #7 too when he was dumped and was a Penguin. And Neal was just a meh 20 goal scorer too.
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Oh no I agree the Niskanen + Neal deal turned out awful for us. Just a horrible trade for us. You wont find any Stars fans mad about the Oleksiak deal though. Worked out fine for both teams in the end.
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It's really not that hard. Having Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, and Murray puts a lot less pressure on their teammates, which usually helps people to play better.
Has there been a reclamation project D the Pens haven't been able to salvage?
Niskanen, Daley, Schultz, Hainsey, Ruhwedel, Oleksiak is just latest in a line of any D with any wheels and potential whatsoever working out in that system.
Niskanen, Daley, Schultz, Hainsey, Ruhwedel, Oleksiak is just latest in a line of any D with any wheels and potential whatsoever working out in that system.
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And that's the thing. We're happy with our new player, we are literally not trashing the 4th round pick at all.
We are literally happy with Oleksiak.
But you guys are going out of your way to make it seem like we shouldn't be, like he was the reason for all of your team's problems (not even remotely close).
BrettHullsToe
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All of those are during a time period where the Pens have two of the best C's in the league, a luxury no other team has which can make D look better than normal. Let's see how well the Pens can "reclaim" D once Crosby and Malkin have regressed or retired.
glovesave_35
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How about "some of you guys" rather than lumping an entire fanbase together. Poor bump job by that Stars fan.
Cool. We gave up a 4th. He's already living up to that.
Why do people want Penguins fans to feel bad about this? We don't.
Yeah, we do have those two. And we will see how we "reclaim" dmen when they're gone.
But who cares about that right now? It doesn't matter and you sound petty and bitter.
BrettHullsToe
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Nah not bitter, I'm just amused by people who think Oleksiak is some hidden gem when virtually any bottom pairing D would have had the same result. Pens could've traded a 7th for Nemeth instead of letting Colorado get him off waivers, and he would look as good or better than Oleksiak right now. The Pens system relies on having superstar centers take a lot of pressure off the D, so it really is the case that almost any D is going to look better after being traded to the Pens.
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I'm pretty sure Maroon uses this name. Big Tree works good if you want a more original nickname for himHell of a game tonight for Big Rig
