Jakub Voracek #1 at ISS
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I didn't say it wasn't important. I just don't think attributes like attitude fit on list where players are ranked solely on their ability to play hockey. On a mock draft, yes, attitude can increase or decrease a players' ranking. This isn't a mock draft.
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No, I didn't say that. Attitude does matter. It is a talent.
How can you be so certain Aliu won't be drafted in first round? Some people said the same thing about Steve Downie and Philadelphia took him in the first round. We're not saying Aliu will go in the first round. We're saying he's a first-round talent -- even with his off-ice problems which haven't really been accurately conveyed in the media to my knowledge.
Some team might take a chance on Aliu way before you think they will. Nothing is certain at an NHL draft until the pick is made. Several teams have two first-round picks. In our mock, we'd consider that. A team might be willing to take a more risky pick with their second choice. A Russian, an Aliu. We certainly aren't going to predict it -- yet -- but you have to admit, it is possible.
Late addition: The risk factor with Russians I referred to is simply because of the lack of a transfer agreement between the NHL and the Russian Hockey Federation.
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Yes, there are definitely tiers that have developed, but there is still movement and I suspect certain players can still move up or down based on their play at the world under-18s. vanRiemsdyk is one of those players. We're excited to see #3 Cherepanov, #4 Turris, #5 vanRiemsdyk, #8 Mayorov, #10 Couture, #11 Esposito, #12 Gillies and #14 Andersson all competing in an 11-day tournament against the best -- or many of the best -- of their peers and each other. We'll have several scouts at this event to solidify our rankings before our draft preview.
As for the clear divide you alluded to, I think there is one, but I think it's a little lower in the pecking order. Say around 10 or 11. Guys like Logan Couture, Karl Alzner, and Sam Gagner and vanRiemsdyk are great hockey players. They might not be as good as those ranked higher, but they still have great upside and they still have lots of development time left -- especially vanRiemsdyk, Gagner and Couture as they are just 17, while Alzner is 18.
Another question for ISS:
Are there worries that a guy like Turris will be overanalyzed based on a small number of games at the U-18's?
Obviously it'll be great for scouts to see him playing against better competition, but would a "bad" tournament drop him lower than it probably should?
Are there worries that a guy like Turris will be overanalyzed based on a small number of games at the U-18's?
Obviously it'll be great for scouts to see him playing against better competition, but would a "bad" tournament drop him lower than it probably should?
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I've said it earlier in March that Jakub Voracek is an absolute beast and that he will be easilly the number#1 overall !! He's the complete package and he confirmed that in this year Q's playoffs by domintating the game !!
Voracek >> Kane
You guys can read it here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=363208
Voracek >> Kane
You guys can read it here: http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=363208
Oh, man. Voracek looks really good. I had my eye on him in the beginning of the season, and kept following him even when he got bounced up and down. I don't think you can go wrong with this kid.
My purely biased top five is:
1)Voracek
2)Turris
3)Kane
4)Cherepanov
5)Alzner
My purely biased top five is:
1)Voracek
2)Turris
3)Kane
4)Cherepanov
5)Alzner
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Worries? That might not be the best word. The only people who should be worried about that are Turris, his agent and maybe a team hoping he'll slip a few spots in the draft.
There is always the chance a player can "stink it up" but this deep into the season it would have to be a really putrid performance to cause a player to drop very far. We've had Turris high in our rankings without seeing him play against major junior competition. If he doesn't have a great tournament, I don't think he'll fall. If anything, drastic happens, it will be because he has a great tournament and somebody decides to make him No. 1. Just my opinion, but we'll see what happens.
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He's got a lot of skill. We've tracked him for a while. He had a very good under-17 tournament and has played very well this season against mostly older competition.
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Well, I respect your arguments but I must admit I disagree with some rankings in the first round.
Of course , Bill Sweatt is older than most 07 prospects, but still , he's so fast , did so well at WJC, he's imo a top 15.
You guys could be very surprise to see Jonathan Blum going way before expected.
That being said,good list nevertheless
Of course , Bill Sweatt is older than most 07 prospects, but still , he's so fast , did so well at WJC, he's imo a top 15.
You guys could be very surprise to see Jonathan Blum going way before expected.
That being said,good list nevertheless
http://www.bchl.bc.ca/leagues/front_pagebchl.cfm?clientID=1413&leagueID=2393
Some where in that link. So the question I have is what is the difference between Jakub Voracek and a guy like David Perron? IS it going to be size? There points are similar. Sorry to get off topic.
Some where in that link. So the question I have is what is the difference between Jakub Voracek and a guy like David Perron? IS it going to be size? There points are similar. Sorry to get off topic.
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David Perron: 1988-05-28
70games 39goals 44passes 83pts
Jakub Voracek: 1989-08-15
59games 23goals 63passes 86pts
Do you see the difference now?
70games 39goals 44passes 83pts
Jakub Voracek: 1989-08-15
59games 23goals 63passes 86pts
Do you see the difference now?
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True that Perron is a year older but, to his defense, he wasn't playing in the Q last year. With that said, Voracek is bigger and stronger and an overall better player than Perron. Those are the main differences.
Voracek's .27 points-per-game advantage over Perron is very significant, especially considering that he's nine months younger.
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I'll see if I can talk to some of our scouts and get some more feedback for you and others on our ranking of Sweatt. Can't promise anything, but I'll try.
As for Blum, we had him at #15 last month and he just dropped a tick to #16. Alex Plante and he traded spots.
