Player Discussion Jakob Chychrun (D)

[Ice-Tray]

I could see Chychrun for Ullmark without extensions. The logic being that Chychrun is not going to sign an extension, so even if Ullmark won't sign one, they are still in the exact same position. They presumably don't want to move Chychrun for futures. So they swap him for a different pending UFA in a greater position of need, and hope that if the team starts winning, Ullmark likes it here and agrees to stay.

If Ullmark doesn't extend, the same thing was going to happen with Chychrun, so it isn't any worse of a situation than they are already in.

Maybe include Forsberg for another player like Peeke to balance out the positions. It would be nice to get one of their big bottom 6 forwards like Frederic or Geekie, but I don't see that happening.

I would love this trade!

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Ullmark can choose where gets traded to, unfortunately.

He has a 15 team no-trade list. So there is a reasonable chance that we are on it.

If his name is still coming up through people like Garrioch, who say what you want about his tact is usually plugged in, then there is probably a chance we aren't on his list.

If we are on his list, then we probably have to offer him a very juicy extension to get him. I would be reticent to do that. I don't like big goalie contracts.

 

[Micklebot]

He has a 15 team no-trade list. So there is a reasonable chance that we are on it.

There were rumours that he blocked a trade at the deadline to LA, so presumably his list isn't the conventional "all the Canadian teams and teams that are expected to miss the playoffs"

He wants to stay in Boston, I imagine he was strategic in making his list, which might mean assuming a team that just signed a 5 year deal for a new starter wasn't going to immediately be looking for a new starter...

 

[Hale The Villain]

There were rumours that he blocked a trade at the deadline to LA, so presumably his list isn't the conventional "all the Canadian teams and teams that are expected to miss the playoffs"

He wants to stay in Boston, I imagine he was strategic in making his list, which might mean assuming a team that just signed a 5 year deal for a new starter wasn't going to immediately be looking for a new starter...

Wasn't that Markstrom? Would be weird if both of them declined trades to a historically attractive UFA destination like LA.

 

[Micklebot]

Wasn't that Markstrom? Would be weird if both of them declined trades to a historically attractive UFA destination like LA.

I thought markstrom was NJD but apparently SN was saying it was kings, that said, Ulmark to LA was apparently a thing too

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

There were rumours that he blocked a trade at the deadline to LA, so presumably his list isn't the conventional "all the Canadian teams and teams that are expected to miss the playoffs"

He wants to stay in Boston, I imagine he was strategic in making his list, which might mean assuming a team that just signed a 5 year deal for a new starter wasn't going to immediately be looking for a new starter...

15 is a fairly expansive list.

California teams may have been on it due to taxes.

In terms of strategy, players sometimes strategically don't include teams because they have strong reason to believe that those teams won't trade for them. So it's possible that we may not be on his list if he thought that the Bruins wouldn't trade him within the division.

 

[PlayOn]

He has a 15 team no-trade list. So there is a reasonable chance that we are on it.

If his name is still coming up through people like Garrioch, who say what you want about his tact is usually plugged in, then there is probably a chance we aren't on his list.

If we are on his list, then we probably have to offer him a very juicy extension to get him. I would be reticent to do that. I don't like big goalie contracts.

Quite the contrary, Bruce has claimed several times we haven’t seriously talked to the Bruins about Ullmark.

Here’s one:



If we’re to listen to Bruce, he’s essentially said we’ll look to replace Forsberg with a different back-up, so idk if we’re even interested in the bigger names.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Quite the contrary, Bruce has claimed several times we haven’t seriously talked to the Bruins about Ullmark.

Here’s one:



If we’re to listen to Bruce, he’s essentially said we’ll look to replace Forsberg with a different back-up, so idk if we’re even interested in the bigger names.

"The Senators kicked tires on Boston’s Linus Ullmark at the deadline and the expectation is the club will circle back."

GARRIOCH: Senators GM Steve Staios has his work cut out for him in the off-season

It was a season of destiny that finished with a dose of reality. Only one word can describe this season for the Ottawa Senators: Disastrous.

ottawasun.com

That is an article from the last few days.

 

[PlayOn]

"The Senators kicked tires on Boston’s Linus Ullmark at the deadline and the expectation is the club will circle back."

GARRIOCH: Senators GM Steve Staios has his work cut out for him in the off-season

It was a season of destiny that finished with a dose of reality. Only one word can describe this season for the Ottawa Senators: Disastrous.

ottawasun.com

That is an article from the last few days.

Interesting, thanks! Well I’ll take it. Maybe the talks didn’t go far at the deadline because we were on his list and I think Friedman said Ullmark wasn’t willing to consider a team on his list until the off-season.

 

[GCK]

I've been predicting this for a while, and it's no slam on Staios. In fact, it is what he has to do - in rebuilding the rebuild he is going to have to take a step backwards, hopefully temporarily, in order to move two steps forward. Next year could feature another bottom five finish, unfortunately...

Please explain how it will/could be a worse roster.

 

[Knave]

Aside from goalie I think this is the biggest possible question mark on this team.

Chabot and Chychrun doesn't seem to work. I think you need to move one for assets and then sign a defensive defenseman that complements the player we keep whether that's Chabot or Chychrun. We need for one of them what Zub is for Sanderson. One of the big things aside from awful goaltending with this team is blowing assignments and that extends to our defense. I think it would help Chabot or Chychrun a lot if they had a stable partner who can clear things up in front of the net and in the slot.

Chabot has the contract, Chychrun doesn't so it's obvious where this goes.

 

[jbeck5]

Please explain how it will/could be a worse roster.

Well, we'll be without 50-60 point Tarasenko. We'll be without our leading scoring defender chychrun.

I don't know if the sens are in on 2-3 bigger names to replace them.

It depends on the return of the chychrun trade and who we replace Tarasenko with at free agency, but this team doesn't just need to replace them.. they need to replace them and then some, if the goal is to improve.

Also what is Norris going forward? His potential seems to have fallen.


So you can essentially say we're down 2 top 6 forwards and 1 top 4 D just based on this crappy year.

So to improve, some would think we need to get 2-3 top 6 forwards, and better ones...and 1-2 top 4 D and better ones.

How do we do this, exactly?

 

[GCK]

Well, we'll be without 50-60 point Tarasenko. We'll be without our leading scoring defender chychrun.

I don't know if the sens are in on 2-3 bigger names to replace them.

It depends on the return of the chychrun trade and who we replace Tarasenko with at free agency, but this team doesn't just need to replace them.. they need to replace them and then some, if the goal is to improve.

Also what is Norris going forward? His potential seems to have fallen.


So you can essentially say we're down 2 top 6 forwards and 1 top 4 D just based on this crappy year.

So to improve, some would think we need to get 2-3 top 6 forwards, and better ones...and 1-2 top 4 D and better ones.

How do we do this, exactly?

Chychrun replaced by a RD makes us better. Any value Tarasenko brought was offset by Kubalik.

 

[Micklebot]

Well, we'll be without 50-60 point Tarasenko. We'll be without our leading scoring defender chychrun.

I don't know if the sens are in on 2-3 bigger names to replace them.

It depends on the return of the chychrun trade and who we replace Tarasenko with at free agency, but this team doesn't just need to replace them.. they need to replace them and then some, if the goal is to improve.

Also what is Norris going forward? His potential seems to have fallen.


So you can essentially say we're down 2 top 6 forwards and 1 top 4 D just based on this crappy year.

So to improve, some would think we need to get 2-3 top 6 forwards, and better ones...and 1-2 top 4 D and better ones.

How do we do this, exactly?

Well also have Pinto for the first 41 games, along with whoever we do replace Chychrun and Tank with.

I don't think Norris will be any worse next year, he wasn't playing the way a health Norris would anyways, so any increase in play from him is a bonus.

I think our biggest issue this year was not having the right pieces rather than not having good pieces.

Chychrun is a good piece, just not the right piece for a team with Sanderson and Chabot.

Tank was a good piece, but arguably not the right piece for a team with Batherson and Giroux on the right side.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Get a collective save percentage over 900 and we will be much better overall.

 

[bicboi64]

Chychrun replaced by a RD makes us better.

Careful, not any RD will do. It has to be a defensive specialist and not another offensive minded D. Like if Staios signs Barrie, Klingberg, or Schultz, I'll be very disappointed. They're veterans, but we need to hit a homerun and get a DeMelo, Pesce, Tanev, etc...

 

[Stylizer1]

So Chychrun still a #1 caliber D and should be on the first power play right?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Careful, not any RD will do. It has to be a defensive specialist and not another offensive minded D. Like if Staios signs Barrie, Klingberg, or Schultz, I'll be very disappointed. They're veterans, but we need to hit a homerun and get a DeMelo, Pesce, Tanev, etc...

There’s grey area between “not defensive specialists “ and “Barrie, klingberg Schultz “