Dude... i'll get an infraction for this.. but you are clearly an idiot.
- first the failure to understand failure to advance in levels vs developmental peak
- failing to understand what an opinion is
- your understanding of what NHL elite is
- and for "I think where he's at now is his floor, and I don't think he's as valuable as Hansen was. If he actually continues his progress, which has been pretty good this season, then maybe. I think with the way he's improved it's likely he'll hit a Hansen level, but I don't think that's quite his floor either. Maybe a low expectations kind of thing."
- and for thinking "Czechm8 kid"
Brutal. Congrats.
I think he's at his floor now because there is a chance he will not improve at all. This is his floor. His development thus far hasn't exactly wowed many people and I think it's a possibility this is the level he plays at for his career. I'm hopeful that he will improve but it's not a foregone conclusion that he will. Maybe you could define 'failure to advance in levels vs developmental peak' because maybe you're not very good at expressing your thoughts. He is not better than Hansen at any point. Young Hansen is better than current Virtanen. I also think there is a possibility that Virtanen will not improve at all while I think he could be far better than Hansen. I'm not sure what I'm not understanding here, so if you think I'm the one with the problem maybe you could actually clarify your opinions rather than attacking people.
My opinion was that your opinion was wrong. I disagree with opinions because they are contrary to what my opinions are. I believe I'm right, so that means I believe you're wrong. If you want to get into some technical argument about whether or not you can say someone's opinion wrong, good for you, but wow.
I understand what an NHL elite is, but apparently you don't understand English as I outlined
exactly what I meant. Hansen was among the best
at his role. This might be the strangest thing that you've been unable to grasp since I specifically said in what context it was being used. Saying someone is elite at a certain facet of the game is very different than saying they're elite in general. Crosby is an elite player, Malhotra was an elite 3C, Hansen was an elite 3RW. Even Tambellini was elite in the shootout but he certainly wasn't an elite player.
Saying someone is elite at a specific thing or role is not even remotely uncommon.
Not sure what's wrong with the other bit you quoted. I think his floor is where he is now, I think it's possible he'll never improve, and I think he's worse than Hansen than Hansen was at any point in his career. I also think Virtanen has a good chance of improving significantly. Maybe you're confused about what floor means? It means the bottom end of his potential, which is where he is right now.
Also way to be antifun about Czechm8. Instead of being rude, maybe you could actually make a proper response instead of this drivel that attacks me? I wouldn't even mind being attacked if you provided any type of context or arguments, but you couldn't even muster that. Pathetic post, though I expected as much which is why I don't reply to your posts very often.
He was top 10 pick because scouts thought he had high Potential but scouts can be wrong. So you think a player that struggle to get 20 points a season for 3 straight years is all of sudden going to improve to 25 G?
Give me some examples of players that did that? That just doesn't happen.
I don't have any off the top of my head that went from 20p to 25G, but the Sedins for example more than doubled their point totals from their first 4 years in the league. They were 40 point players who made the jump to consistent 80 point players after the lockout. Joel Ward is a guy who didn't make the NHL as a regular until he was like 27 and for 2 years had a 0.3PPG pace in the AHL just like Virtanen, except at a much older age.
Virtanen has been extremely underwhelming, but he has shown flashes of good play. He has a shot, he can skate, and he does have more offensive instincts than people give him credit for.