Player Discussion Jacob De La Rose II

[montreal]

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Finally starting to heat up, 5 points in his last 7 games after getting just 1 in 10 games to start the season. He started slowly last season as well on the DLR Dumont Scherbak line. Both DLR and Dumont were terrible but then started to pick it up.

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[A Loyal Dog]

I like the idea of pushing him towards being a defenceman. Doesn't hurt to try - not many people value him anymore.

 

[zzoo]

I like the idea of pushing him towards being a defenceman. Doesn't hurt to try - not many people value him anymore.

Who knows....he'll become a 2nd Markov

 

[S Bah]

The using of forwards isn't solely for the purpose of their offensive prowess, if that was the case, then teams would only have six forwards. The rest of the icetime would fall to 5 defencemen, one of which could take faceoffs, perfect way to have boring hockey. Merely each team could ice their Top Six forwards until they wore out, then stick to playing defence the rest of the time. The fact that the Frank Selke Trophy is awarded to the forward deemed the best two way forward, goes against that concept. Obviously there is a large contingent of hockey people that see the value of these types of players, not just the franchise type of Hart Trophy winning player.(One winner each season, which leaves 29 teams wanting.)

The value of JDLR is in his abilities to be the type of shutdown forward, made popular by Bob Gainey and a horde of other very great two way forwards. Hardly a player that some here consider a bust, due to his lack of offensive ability. Many fans seem only to appreciate the players that score the goals, which during the playoffs are few and far between. Learning about the game of hockey, winning hockey that takes checking the opponents, retaining possession of the puck and keeping it out of our net, whilst taking advantage of scoring opportunities.

All Star teams never win Championships, unless the All Stars play a good two way game, players like Crosby, Toews, Tavares, etc. etc. etc. That play a complete game or 200 ft. game, are those types of players that win in the World Cup competitions, best against best. In the NHL with 30 teams, there aren't enough players of their ilk to man each team, therefore the need of specialists that can stem these players offence, allowing their own offensive stars to rest, then come out to turn on the pressure to score and win.(Without allowing defensive breakdowns, which give the opponents scoring opportunities.)

The fact a forward is great at playing a shutdown role, doesn't mean he should be a defenceman, which usually takes at least 4-5 yrs. to become somewhat proficient. Development of every type of forward, isn't a certainty by any means, but a player that shows the abilities of JDLR as a shutdown forward, is pretty much like finding a piece of Gold for a team wanting to win the Stanley Cup Championship.

 

[417]

Is he playing more wing or center in the AHL?

 

[Seb]

Jacob De La Bust

 

[montreal]

Is he playing more wing or center in the AHL?

started at center but now at RW with McCarron for several games now.

 

[Fozz]

I still have faith in this kid. He's sound away from the puck and won't hurt you out there. Just needs some confidence in his skills and to be more assertive and we'll have a player.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

I still have faith in this kid. He's sound away from the puck and won't hurt you out there. Just needs some confidence in his skills and to be more assertive and we'll have a player.

He's also still only 21, which is hard to believe since it feels like he's been around forever.

 

[417]

started at center but now at RW with McCarron for several games now.

as someone who has seen many of his AHL games, what position do you think suits him best?

 

[Tyson]

Brought up too soon...you see the results...

 

[Wats]

Hopefully Habs dont call him up...again.

 

[Mr. Hab]

Maybe DLR as a DEFENSIVE dman (leftie) is the solution to his career in the NHL?


How many LEFTIE dmen do you really fully depend on DEFENSIVELY (for playoffs):
<Markov? Not me.
<Emelin? Not me.
<Beaulieu? Maybe? I just know that he may have that special gear for playoffs (grit/feisty, heart, hunger for a CUP)...maybe?
<Redmond? Maybe?
<Hanley? Maybe?

We need more defensively reliable/consistent LEFTIE #5-6 dmen depth...DLR's defense is very trust-worthy, no? Hopefully management gives it a thought.
(he could end up a very reliable #5-6 dman for us...who knows?).

We don't have one LEFTIE dman (not one) who can be as reliable (defensively) as a McDonagh, Hjalmarsson (defensive playoff minute-eater/machine), Vlasic...for playoffs.

 

[Fazkovsky]

We have a lot of bottom 6 Fwds let him have a great full season in the A

 

[OldCraig71]

With the size of DLR and his skating ability he could easily be a 10-12 goal man with decent defensive play if he was not so sofffffffff, he should be a wrecking ball, a forward version of Emelin but he is soffff. That ultimately is also what lacks from Ellers game and that's why he is what he is as well.

 

[MasterDecoy]

i blame lefebvre

 

[1909]

One-way ticket to Sweden is the only solution.

 

[montreal]

as someone who has seen many of his AHL games, what position do you think suits him best?

not sure, assume he will be a LW that fills in at center, but leave it to Lefebvre to put him at RW.

I see him as a less offensive Eller, but better in his own end. His defensive play is just excellent.

 

[Mr. Hab]

not sure, assume he will be a LW that fills in at center, but leave it to Lefebvre to put him at RW.

I see him as a less offensive Eller, but better in his own end. His defensive play is just excellent.

That's all I read about DLR...he's A+ defensively.

We sure could use a LEFTIE dman who is excellent defensively.
Maybe DLR has a better future as a DEFENSIVE dman?
(we could have our own poor man's version of Niklas Lidstrom...DLR!).

LEFTIES Redmond and Hanley...are they ever considered excellent defensively? (on these boards or anywhere else?!).

 

[montreal]

That's all I read about DLR...he's A+ defensively.

We sure could use a LEFTIE dman who is excellent defensively.
Maybe DLR has a better future as a DEFENSIVE dman?
(we could have our own poor man's version of Niklas Lidstrom...DLR!).

LEFTIES Redmond and Hanley...are they ever considered excellent defensively? (on these boards or anywhere else?!).

Redmond is a RD but neither he nor Hanley are considered anything close to excellent defensively.

 

[Mr. Hab]

Redmond is a RD but neither he nor Hanley are considered anything close to excellent defensively.

Thanks. I haven't see a lot of Redmond! (I don't know why...I thought/assumed he was a leftie). I hope he can play well on the left side if needed (not sure if he can). Or, he's good competition for Pateryn.

DLR would be more useful to our Habs as an excellent defensive dman...sooner than later. Especially if Habs use Sergachev on the right side. I really hope they don't do that. We urgently (for next season or as soon as playoffs 2017) need Sergachev to help our LEFT side.

 

[montreal]

Thanks. I haven't see a lot of Redmond! (I don't know why...I thought/assumed he was a leftie). I hope he can play well on the left side if needed (not sure if he can). Or, he's good competition for Pateryn.

DLR would be more useful to our Habs as an excellent defensive dman...sooner than later. Especially if Habs use Sergachev on the right side. I really hope they don't do that. We urgently (for next season or as soon as playoffs 2017) need Sergachev to help our LEFT side.

I would assume Sergachev is used on the right side but I guess we'll see. I do expect DLR to be on the 4th line/spare forward next year.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Maybe DLR as a DEFENSIVE dman (leftie) is the solution to his career in the NHL?


How many LEFTIE dmen do you really fully depend on DEFENSIVELY (for playoffs):
<Markov? Not me.
<Emelin? Not me.
<Beaulieu? Maybe? I just know that he may have that special gear for playoffs (grit/feisty, heart, hunger for a CUP)...maybe?
<Redmond? Maybe?
<Hanley? Maybe?

We need more defensively reliable/consistent LEFTIE #5-6 dmen depth...DLR's defense is very trust-worthy, no? Hopefully management gives it a thought.
(he could end up a very reliable #5-6 dman for us...who knows?).

We don't have one LEFTIE dman (not one) who can be as reliable (defensively) as a McDonagh, Hjalmarsson (defensive playoff minute-eater/machine), Vlasic...for playoffs.

Hanley and Beau better defensively than Emelin and Markov?

 

[Mr. Hab]

Hanley and Beau better defensively than Emelin and Markov?

OK, let's forget about Beau+Hanley vs Emelin+Markov!!

But, we should be asking ourselves what LEFTIE dmen do we fully trust (defensively) in playoffs? (serious question).

Was just trying to put emphasis on how we don't really have any LEFTIE dmen we can really really count on (DEFENSIVELY) in playoffs. LEFTIE dmen who are excellent or VERY solid defensively...for playoffs. I'm not talking about regular season...I'm only talking about playoffs (intense/faster/tougher playoffs...no more average/slower teams, so Pacioretty and Markov can rack up regular season pts). I don't trust any of our LEFTIE dmen...defensively. The only ones I really trust (defensively) for playoffs are RIGHTIES (Weber and Petry).

Redmond: I made a mistake...he's a RIGHTIE.

Hanley and Beaulieu being reliable dmen defensively for playoffs...wishful thinking (hoping they have that extra gear for playoffs...that ''it'' factor), 'cause, if not...we're in trouble. Too much pressure on Weber and Petry. No-brainer...Bergevin has got to find 1-2 LEFTIE defensive dmen for playoffs (to help Weber and Petry).

Leftie playoff dmen I would trust defensively for playoffs...just to give some examples:
<Hjalmarsson (playoff defensive leader/minute cruncher)
<McDonagh
<Muzzin
etc, etc.

 

[Mr. Hab]

I would assume Sergachev is used on the right side but I guess we'll see. I do expect DLR to be on the 4th line/spare forward next year.

Is he being used on the RIGHT side in juniors? (I hope not! 'cause we really need LEFTIE dmen).

Hanley and Beau better defensively than Emelin and Markov?

OK,let's forget about Beau+Hanley vs Emelin+Marko!!

But, we should be asking ourselves what LEFTIE dmen do we have that we can fully trust (defensively) in playoffs? (serious question).
I was just trying to put emphasis on how we don't really have any LEFTIE dmen we can really really count on (DEFENSIVELY) in playoffs. LEFTIE dmen who are excellent or VERY solid defensively...for playoffs. I'm not talking about regular season...I'm only talking about playoffs (intense/faster/tougher playoffs...no more average/slower teams, so Pacioretty and Markov can rack up regular season pts). I don't trust any of our LEFTIE dmen...defensively. The only ones I really trust (defensively) for playoffs are RIGHTIES (Weber and Petry).

Redmond: I made a mistake...he's a RIGHTIE.

Hanley and Beaulieu being reliable dmen defensively for playoffs...wishful thinking (hoping they have that extra gear for playoffs...that ''it'' factor), 'cause, if not...we're in trouble. Too much pressure on Weber and Petry. It's a massive no-brainer...Bergevin has got to find 1-2 LEFTIE defensive dmen for playoffs (to help Weber and Petry).

Leftie playoff dmen I would trust defensively for playoffs...just to give you some examples:
Hjalmarsson, McDonagh, Muzzin, etc.