Its Scab time!
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I don't think it will be so easy for some teams in markets that have a strong union presence(phila, Detroit). They will make life miserable for people who cross the line. L also don't think the they will draw well at all.AM said:
Immigration laws in Cnada and the US prevent Europeans from playing as replacement players.Jason MacIsaac said:
US citizens and legal alien residents (green card holders) only could play for US based teams and Canadian citizens and legal permanent residents only could play for Canadian based teams.
It looks to be a major problem for the US teams.
Splatman Phanutier said:
Well they aren't giving up a year's salary at this point. They are giving up a 3rd of their base salary, which is cut by 25%. At this point in time, the owners have more incentive to sign a deal because their enterprise is hurt by cancelling a season. Now next September it will change if there is no deal, the players will be more inclined to get the season started on time because they will have a full salary waiting. But right now, this past week, it was on the owners to start the season.
Huh? The season is officially CANCELLED! Gone. Nitta naddo nodda. Done, pissed away, whatever you want to call it.nyr7andcounting said:
The onus is on the players as the owners will likely get an impasse to sign replacement players (since they gave in on their stance on linkage) and players start to realize "oh ****, we've been paid $1 million to play a game, and for some dick stupid reason, we can't figure out how to splite $42.5 million both ways! Now rather then getting lobster dinners and 1st class plane rides, we're riding grayhounds and eating sandwiches on 14 hour bus rides."
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Newsguyone said:
Heh, NGO. Bite me. If you are a writer for HF then you should be a hockey fan. The economics dont work. End of story. And if you think the players have the economic means to drop 250mm a year running, after their investment, then think again.
Splatman Phanutier said:
Okay, and how was that a response to my post? The guy said that the players should have signed a deal because he didn't think that 700 players wanted to give up a year's salary over $2.5 million. I simply pointed out that even if the players signed a deal this past week they would not have gotten a full year's salary...where as the owners would have made money, something most of them haven't done in a while. Therefore the owners had more incentive to save this season.
Scabs taking NHL jobs would serve as beautifully poetic justice.
Call the NHLers in Europe what you want to call them but they are scabs of the worst kind here.
Call the NHLers in Europe what you want to call them but they are scabs of the worst kind here.
richardn
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THe majority of scabs that are are going to play will be will be ex AHL and NHL players now making a living in europe. They will be replacement players hands down because NHLers came to Europe to take their jobs. Other then that there will be a small handfull of Frindge NHL players and older AHLers. I don't think you will see any young talented players cross for fear of future relationships with the players on strike. I know if I were locked out from my job and then forced to go on strike I would not respect anyone who came in and worked my job. I will lose all respect for any players in the PA who cross. I would however have no problem with the players over in Europe losing there jobs coming over to play.
richardn
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DrMoses said:
No they can't be scabs, the SEL and other leagues don't have any labor disputes. The NHL players are being begged by European owneres to come play. Most of them are playing over in europe to stay in shape for the NHL.
Begged? Oh yeah, I bet the SEL and other leagues were just DYING to have Sean Donovan and Steve Montador play for them.richardn said:
The NHL players are taking away jobs from those league. Plain and simple. Call them scabs, call them what you want, but if these players start to take the NHLers jobs, clowns like Chris Pronger should not start to **** his pants about it.
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Splatman Phanutier said:
No it will be the actual PA members that will have to face the wrath if they cross. Just another note. Most of the NHL players playing in Europe are European to begin with and are using the work stopage as a chance to go back and play in there hometown.
If you were paid $1 million a year in a comfertable job with lobster dinners, and buddy-ol'-pal here told you to give that up for $5000 a week with grayhounds and cold sandwiches, you can't possibly tell me that you wouldn't want to go back to what you origanally had...richardn said:
These guys have lives to live and families to support.
Point 1: Wrath? What, is Brad May going to put another bounty on someone else's head?richardn said:
I didn't realize the NHLPA was such a dictatorship. Maybe they should realize that some of these players actually have something to lose from this? And by that, I don't mean whether or not Jarome Iginla is willing to fall from 9 million a year to 6 million a year at the risk of his "fellow brother" union members career.
Point 2: Did you actually have proof for this?
richardn
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Splatman Phanutier said:Point 1: Wrath? What, is Brad May going to put another bounty on someone else's head?
I didn't realize the NHLPA was such a dictatorship. Maybe they should realize that some of these players actually have something to lose from this? And by that, I don't mean whether or not Jarome Iginla is willing to fall from 9 million a year to 6 million a year at the risk of his "fellow brother" union members career.
Point 2: Did you actually have proof for this?
Unless half the players cross all at once the first few groups that cross the picket line will be outkasts to the rest of the players as they should be when the labour dispute ends. The PA needs to stay strong other wise they will have no negotiating power what so ever in future labout disputes. If half the players cross the line they they will stabbing the future players in the backs.
From what Darryl Sutter said on the radio, it seems like the majority of the Calgary Flames will cross the line if the league goes towards replacement players. I'd be willing to bet more then half the league would be willing to cross the line.richardn said:
Right now, what the NHLPA is fighting for is the top 8% - and I'll bet these players know that. Of the remaining 92%, I'll be willing to bet about half realize their careers are at stake, and will realize they are being paid to live a dream.
Stabbing future players in the back... arn't they already by putting the low cap on rookie base and bonus's? And those that lose jobs when contraction occurs, which some players have supported?
richardn
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Splatman Phanutier said:
I really doubt that half the players will cross the picket lines come september. Doing so would seal their fate and give no negotiating power in the future or destroy the union all together. If the NHL had no union we would all get to see what these owners are all about and I don't think it would be pretty.
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richardn said:
Whereas sticking together and fighting the good fight will get them . . . what exactly? Another lost year of their average four year careers?
As for not letting the union be broken, I think it is already too late for that, don't you?
What would possibly make you doubt that? More then half the players can easily be replaced, and I'm sure they realize that when replacement players come in, there is no guerentees on their jobs. Look at each team; I'll do Calgary, for those players who risk losing their career:richardn said:
Lombardi, Kobasew, Weimer, Nilson, Niemenen, Gelinas, Donovan, Clark, Yelle, Weimer, Ritchie, Montador, Commodore, Ference, Warraner, Reinprecht.
That's 16/23 players. I'll suspect that due to respect for Darryl Sutter (as many players have turned to Sutter for help and guidence) Simon, Regehr, Kiprusoff and Turek would cross as well.
Break the union? Of the Flames, only Iginla would care.
richardn
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richardn said:
Yup. I would think the players would expect mario to play in a replacement league.
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Tb0ne said:
Mario had Baldwin's $30 Million contract tossed out by a bankruptcy court, in exchange he got a major share of the Pens. If the union cracks his share in the Pens increases dramatically. Now Mario showed recently that he had the best interest of the game most at heart by fighting for a deal even though the Pens, and his money, would have been better served with a Cap lower than $42.5 million and as well the Pens are sitting pretty in many of the potential draft scenerios once a new CBA is signed if the season is cancelled. He went anyways which makes him a huge hero in my eyes because it could have cost him millions. That said, if you think that he will sit by when half the league crosses, you are nuts. He would cross. It is one thing fighting for the season and the NHL he loves. Crossing the line to break a union he disagrees with and who is trying to take money from his pocket would be something else entirely I would bet.
richardn
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bcrt2000 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if Gretzky laced em up for a comeback to draw some fan's into games.
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