Is it borderline treason that Giordano and Subban haven't played for Canada?

[ChiefWiggum]

Ya title is an exaggeration but should Giordano and Subban have played for Team Canada in 2014 and 2016?

Subban made team Canada in 2014, but only played one game (a 6-0 win against Austria). He has been critized for his decision making and defensive play but, since going to Nashville, I've seen Subban as more of a defensive defenseman than the all-out offense defenseman that we saw in Montreal

Likewise, Giordano is probably the least respected defenseman in the league. Everybody he is paired with in Calgary plays like gold and then struggles when they are moved away from him

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[Makar Goes Fast]

yes, we should do something. we should call someone.

 

[ChiefWiggum]

yes, we should do something. we should call someone.

Ghostbusters?

 

[Frank the Tank]

Giordano was a bubble defender for Canada that refused the call too many times for IIHF championships in the spring. I imagine that was counted against him in the selection process. Canada won every tournament without him so it's not like they've missed his presence.

 

[Afterburner]

Ghostbusters?

Hardy Boys?

 

[ChiefWiggum]

Giordano was a bubble defender for Canada that refused the call too many times for IIHF championships in the spring. I imagine that was counted against him in the selection process. Canada won every tournament without him so it's not like they've missed his presence.

Yeah I know but the point is that if there is a World Cup in 2020, we're just going to go back to the well on a lot of these guys. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Weber is named to the team over Subban

 

[Advanced stats]

Subban rightfully made it, the coach didn't like him though.

Gio has never deserved to go. He's a #1 defensemen, but never a top 7 Canadian one, at least in Olympic years.

Not sure what's to see here..

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

Ya title is an exaggeration but should Giordano and Subban have played for Team Canada in 2014 and 2016?

Subban made team Canada in 2014, but only played one game (a 6-0 win against Austria). He has been critized for his decision making and defensive play but, since going to Nashville, I've seen Subban as more of a defensive defenseman than the all-out offense defenseman that we saw in Montreal

Likewise, Giordano is probably the least respected defenseman in the league. Everybody he is paired with in Calgary plays like gold and then struggles when they are moved away from him

Only Brodie and Hamilton have, and eye test and WOWY speaking many have a valid argument that Brodie actually carried Gio those seasons rather than Gio carrying him. Hamilton yeah has done a lot worse without Gio than with him, but he's still a great Dman on his own accord.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Yes to both.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Look at the list of guys we have put on the teams instead of those two. I have no complaints when you look at the results. Who would Giordano have replaced in 2014 for example? Hamhuis or Bouwmeester are candidates, but they were brought along to be shut down defensemen and filled that role better than Giordano would have. In 2014 Keith, Weber, Doughty and Pietrangelo were all better.

It isn't treason by any means. Yes, Subban and Gio are great defenders. But when you are picking from the deepest crop of blueliners in the world, good players will get left home. It isn't always about who is "best", it's about who the management thinks will be the best team.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Giordano is a better shutdown guy than either Hamhuis or Bouwmeester. Pretty easily.

 

[SLAPSHOT723]

Hardy Boys?

The Hardly Boys! Two young whippersnappers with a knack for solving mysteries!

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

we won gold handily in 2014. it's pretty tough to criticize

 

[Sol]

Treason of the highest order, unconstitutional, and un-American.

Maybe if they were actually good at hockey they'd make the cut. And pledge an oath to protect maple syrup.


Enemies of the state.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah I know but the point is that if there is a World Cup in 2020, we're just going to go back to the well on a lot of these guys. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Weber is named to the team over Subban

If they "go back to the well" on guys, it will be because they have been proven winners. Plus only a couple of them will be "too old" by 2020. Doughty, Pietrangelo, Vlasic, and Muzzin will likely all be back, and any of Keith, Burns, and Weber could also be if their games don't fall off a cliff. Giordano is too old to start making Team Canada now. They have other old guys in the fold. Subban likely makes it next time though.

 

[kyle o connor]

They are both common men when it comes to their position in the pecking order. The best of the lousy and lousiest of the best.

 

[John Eichel da GOAT]

I love both, but the guys ahead of them were better at the time, period.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Giordano was a bubble defender for Canada that refused the call too many times for IIHF championships in the spring. I imagine that was counted against him in the selection process. Canada won every tournament without him so it's not like they've missed his presence.

Yeah, my understanding for Giordano (and Brodie) is that they were both asked to play at the World Championships, both declined for different reasons, and it was indicated that if they declined they would be long shots for the World Cup in the fall.

In 2014, Gio definitely should've been on team Canada over Hamhuis and JBo, as he was easily better than both at the time, and arguably for a couple of years prior.

 

[Riddum]

Subban isn't very well liked by the Hockey Canada brass. The perception of him is that he doesn't conduct himself like a good ol' Canadian boy.

 

[Riddum]

I love both, but the guys ahead of them were better at the time, period.

Better than the guy fresh off a Norris win. Give me a break. They didn't like Subban's reputation.

 

[Michael Scarn]

Giordano is a better shutdown guy than either Hamhuis or Bouwmeester. Pretty easily.

Now? Yes. But in 2014 Bouwmeester was still a very good shutdown D man, and he and Pietrangelo together were very good. There wasn’t a need to break that chemistry.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

They won both tournaments without losing (2014 team didn't even give up a goal in SF/Final).

What is there to criticize?

 

[Iapyi]

team canada takes guys that create a team. they have a winning history. if these guys deserved to make the team they would have.

 

[The Nuge]

Subban rightfully made it, the coach didn't like him though.

Gio has never deserved to go. He's a #1 defensemen, but never a top 7 Canadian one, at least in Olympic years.

Not sure what's to see here..

This is bang on. Gio is a very good dman, but simply being a #1 dman doesn’t get you on team Canada. Our defense is too deep.

 

[Ceremony]

When was Giordano one of the six best Canadian defensemen in the league?