If the league has 32 teams in 2010.... (continuation of Expansion Debate)

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  1. hockydude5000

    hockydude5000 Registered User

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    Would this make a good conference layout?

    Eastern Conference:

    Northeast:
    Boston
    Toronto
    Ottawa
    Montreal

    Mid-East:
    NY Rangers
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Columbus

    Seaboard:
    Washington
    New Jersey
    NY Islanders
    Buffalo

    Southeast:
    Carolina
    Atlanta
    Tampa Bay
    Florida

    Western Conference:

    Midwest:
    Detroit
    Chicago
    St. Louis
    Kansas City

    Northwest:
    Winnipeg
    Edmonton
    Calgary
    Vancouver

    Central:
    Nashville
    Dallas
    Minnesota
    Colorado

    Pacific:
    Los Angeles
    Anaheim
    Phoenix
    San Jose
     
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    "Seaboard"?
     
  3. Namso

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    what is buffalo doing in seaboard?
     
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    I would switch Buffalo with the Rangers and Winnipeg with the Avs
     
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    I think you have to find a way to keep PHI, NYR, NYI, and NJD together.
     
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    yeah throw philly and nyr in the seaboard and move buffalo and the caps with the pens and cbj
     
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    Oh man that division would suck...
     
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    If 3 out of four teams are in the New York area, it would be too congested in one little area. Plus, if the Rangers, Devils, Islanders, and Flyers stayed together, the Penguins wouldn't fit in. So, I made a Compromise. With my plan, it keeps the Rangers, Flyers, and Penguins together in the Mid-East division, and the Devils and the Islanders together in the Seaboard. Plus, with Buffalo in the Seaboard division, it creates a state rivalry w/ the Islanders and a crossborder rivalry with New Jersey.
     
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    if kc and winnipeg werew the two franchises added, while i agree with most of your divisions, i'd change it up a little bit.

    WEST CONFERENCE -
    NorthWest:
    Calgary
    Edmonton
    Vancouver
    Winnipeg

    geographically this div. has to be, set up perfectly with old rivalries, plus new that could really blossom.

    SouthWest:
    Anaheim
    Los Angeles
    Phoenix
    San Jose

    see above, another must if expansion were to occur again

    Central:
    Colorado
    Dallas
    Kansas City
    St. Louis

    here's where it gets tricky. chose st louis over minnesota because of the proximity to KC more than anything. keeps with how the divisions have been setting up thus far.

    MidWest:
    Chicago
    Columbus
    Detroit
    Minnesota

    see above. only difference between choosing minnesota over st louis was if i chose north or south, considering the location of the other 3 teams i chose to go north.

    EAST CONFERENCE -
    NorthEast:
    Buffalo
    Montreal
    Ottawa
    Toronto

    must have in terms of location. really boston/buffalo could be switched, and my thought process going in would still pretty well stay in tact

    New England:
    Boston
    NJ
    NYI
    NYR

    see above, when i chose the name New England for the div. i immediately thought of boston, which is why i chose them over buffalo originally.

    Atlantic:
    Carolina
    Philladelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Washington

    location location location. enough said.

    SouthEast:
    Atlanta
    Florida
    Nashville
    Tampa Bay

    while nashville seems far from florida, on the map it's relatively the same distance as raleigh from atlanta, that's the only major reason i chose nashville to be moved rather than columbus.
     
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    I would switch Boston with Buffalo. Buffalo is more a fit with NYR, NYI, and NJ. You could basically call it the New York division.

    Boston needs to be in a division with other original 6 rivals Montreal and Toronto.
     
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    The whole point is to foster geographic rivalries. If you aren't going to have BUF, OTT, MTL, TOR and PHI, NJD, NYR, NYI as two divisions in the East, then just forget the whole divisional idea, lineup the standings 1-16 in each conference, and play a balanced schedule. 4 x 15 in conference, 2x16 out of conference.
     
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    The West has 2 more teams than the East :sarcasm:
     
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    I like how you have the Northeast and the Southeast. The mid-east and "seaboard" (whats wrong with Atlantic?) could be shuffled around.

    I don't see how people keep putting Boston with the New York teams, it doesn't work and it never will. They belong with Montreal and Toronto at least. The way the OP has it is dead on.

    The last thing the NHL needs is more teams, though. If anything, the league needs less teams. They'd be better off if 2 teams went away, let alone adding 2 teams.
     
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    Why are the Rangers and Flyers in a different division than the Devils and Islanders?
     
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    Winnipeg won't be getting a team anytime soon.
     
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    See my above comment #7.
     
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    I would change your East teams like this:

    Atlantic:
    NY Rangers
    Philadelphia
    NY Islanders
    NJ Devils

    Mid-East:
    Washington
    Pittsburgh
    Buffalo
    Columbus

    I think everybodys happy in the East except Buffalo and Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh might move, anyway.
     
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    Lobstertainment Oh no, my brains.

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    Eastern Conference:

    Northeast:
    BUffalo
    Toronto
    Ottawa
    Montreal

    Mid-East:
    Philadelphia
    Pittsburgh
    Columbus
    Washington

    Seaboard:
    New York Rangers
    New Jersey
    NY Islanders
    Boston

    Southeast:
    Carolina
    Atlanta
    Tampa Bay
    Florida

    Western Conference:

    Midwest:
    Detroit
    Chicago
    St. Louis
    Kansas City

    Northwest:
    Winnipeg
    Edmonton
    Calgary
    Vancouver

    Central:
    Nashville
    Dallas
    Minnesota
    Colorado

    Pacific:
    Los Angeles
    Anaheim
    Phoenix
    San Jose

    West looks allright, maybe swap Winny and Minny

    I would put Buffalo in the North East with Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal.

    Boston would be in the Seaboard with the Rangers, Islanders and Devils(rivalry central)

    Philly, Pittsburgh, Washington and Columbus in the Mid-East

    and finnaly everyone's favorite 4 southern east teams rounds out the south east.
     
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    Why does everyone keep taking the Flyers out of a division with the Rangers, Devils, and Islanders. It's unrealistic. Those 4 teams are all within 2 hours drive of each other, and have been playing against each other for years and years.
     
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    *** would you add 2 more teams?? the league needs to get rid of 6 teams, not add more
     
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    Lobstertainment Oh no, my brains.

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    Because we seem to be limited to 4 teams per division, so with the Devils, Rangers, and Islanders being 3, it comes down to managing the other teams to fit.

    Philly could very well be in this "seaboard" division, but the reality is that if you place them in that division then one of Buffalo or Boston have to be placed in the "Mid East"

    and that division looks better travel wise and rivalry wise with Philly instead of the Sabres or Bruins. Considering Pittsburgh is there you almost HAVE to have Philly in that Division, besides it's not like in this hypothetical setting that Philly wouldn't play those seaboard teams.
     
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    The Penguins wouldn't have to fit in, before 1998 the Flyers and Rangers were in a different division than the Penguins.


    I would just keep 3 divisions. 4 divisions is ok in the NFL because its a different game and they only play 16 games.


    In keeping with you're example I'll use KC and Winnipeg.

    Northeast:
    Buffalo
    Boston
    Montreal
    Toronto
    Ottawa

    Atlantic:
    Philadelphia
    NY Rangers
    NY Isles
    New Jersey
    Pittsburgh
    Columbus

    Southeast:
    Washington
    Atlanta
    Florida
    Carolina
    Tampa Bay

    Northwest:
    Vancouver
    Minnesota
    Colorado
    Calgary
    Edmonton
    Winnipeg

    Central:
    Detroit
    Nashville
    St. Louis
    Chicago
    Kansas City

    Pacific:
    Los Angeles
    Anaheim
    Dallas
    San Jose
    Phoenix

    If you go back to the old way you do the schedule (where teams in the east actually play teams in the west), and everyone played everyone at least once, that finish last each season in the northwest and atlantc would play extra games to make up for the fact that there are 6 teams in the division. Much like when the NFL had only 28 teams and the teams that finished last in the NFC East and Central and AFC West and Central would play each other twice a season.


    Each team usually goes out to the other conference at least 3 times a season, so scheduling it should be a huge problem
     
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    If the league expands anymore look forward to more trapping and to counter the trap more penalties then there already is.......expansion is not the answer its contraction
     
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    You can't take Boston away from Toronto and Montreal. Sorry, not even for Buffalo. Buffalo doesn't have the clout of those 3 teams, and those 3 times would stay together at any cost, with Ottawa too. Bruins-Canadiens is the biggest historic rivalry in hockey.

    You can't take Philly away from the Devils, Rangers, and Isles. That just doesn't make sense.

    Its kind of like playing Weakest Link or Survivor with the Northeast and Atlantic divisions, you'd eventually get Buffalo and Pittsburgh voted off the island. Combine them with Washington, who doesn't want to be in the Southeast anyway (making that division nice and neat), and Columbus, who is coming over from the West, and theres your 4th division.

    There will never be expansion again in the NHL, so theres no reason to worry about it anyway.
     
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    Expanding the NHL by 45 players will not dilute the talent pool very much. The talent was far, far lower in the 70's and 80's than it is now and there wasn't very much trapping happening.
     
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