Prospect Info: Hurricanes Prospect Info and Discussion - Part VI

[AD Skinner]

Ryan might be an ok bottom six winger but peters would never let that happen

 

[Canes]

I personally think Derek Ryan is more of a Keith Aucoin type player. Too good for the AHL but not good enough for the NHL top 6, and not a great fit in the bottom 6. He just gets to stick around in the NHL due to our weak forward group and because the NHL isn't as fixated on size and strength as it used to be even just 5-10 years ago. He would be a below average 3rd liner production wise if he wasn't handed undeserved powerplay minutes. Perhaps if he doesn't return here he can stick around in the NHL on a bottom feeder, but any legit contender he would probably be a healthy scratch if not sent down.

 

[bleedgreen]

My thought on Ryan being re signed shouldn’t be confused with what I personally want. I want an upgrade or a kid in his AND in Kruger’s spot. Do they believe we have replacements? Would they bring in another fourth line center while paying Kruger? Ryan is relatively cheap insurance.

And yes I do think 12 goals and 28 points is relatively productive, it’s more than McGinn who we’d all consider productive. This is a third line (occasionally fourth) guy who basically year to year on a team that can’t score. We need to upgrade for sure, but he’s lived up to his end.

 

[NotOpie]

Not if Derek Ryan is resigned.

Resigned to what.....failure?

Next season the forwards we have under contract are: Staal, Skinner, Williams, Rask Teravainen, Aho, and McGinn. I'm assuming we'll re-sign Lindholm and qualify/re-sign Wallmark. That's 9 guys, 4 of whom can play center. While a true, #1 center would be nice, I just don't think it is as big of a need as a true scoring threat....a guy who can consistently put up 55 to 65 points. In my mind it doesn't matter if this guys is a wing or a center. It just needs to be somebody who pushes guys down a slot or two.

 

[bluedevil58]

Resigned to what.....failure?

Next season the forwards we have under contract are: Staal, Skinner, Williams, Rask Teravainen, Aho, and McGinn. I'm assuming we'll re-sign Lindholm and qualify/re-sign Wallmark. That's 9 guys, 4 of whom can play center. While a true, #1 center would be nice, I just don't think it is as big of a need as a true scoring threat....a guy who can consistently put up 55 to 65 points. In my mind it doesn't matter if this guys is a wing or a center. It just needs to be somebody who pushes guys down a slot or two.

It has been proven time and time again that all good teams have a great 1 - 2 center combo. We have a good to ok 2 - 3 combo. I think you're overlooking several aspects of the game including faceoffs and responsible defensive play that a great center can also bring to the table aside from scoring.

 

[HisIceness]

Future 4th line center Gregg McKegg is fitting in nicely w/ Charlotte.

 

[Canes]

Sweet, love to see Francis' first player for player trade working out great.

 

[NotOpie]

I think you're overlooking several aspects of the game including faceoffs

We are currently the leading faceoff team in the league.

 

[MinJaBen]

Sweet, love to see Francis' first player for player trade working out great.

Give Ron credit, his first player for player trade was Khudobin for Wiz, and Khudobin looks great...for Boston.

 

[bluedevil58]

We are currently the leading faceoff team in the league.

And we still don't have a 1C. No team does well without a true 1C.

 

[MinJaBen]

From Pronman's Around the Farms:

Carolina: Warren Foegele, LW
Foegele has blown me away as a rookie pro, looking like one of the best two-way forwards in the AHL. He’s tied for fourth in the league in goals, has four shorthanded goals and I think has surprised even some of his biggest backers in the scouting world with how quickly he’s become a top player, especially given how little power play time he’s received this season on a good Charlotte team. Is he going to be a top-six forward in the NHL? I have my doubts. But he’s a great skater, he hustles, he’s smart and he keeps proving me wrong.

 

[CandyCanes]

From Pronman's Around the Farms:

I'll be really happy if he can be a guy that contributes 30-40pts, play good 2 way hockey, and kill penalties. Which seems like what he's capable of doing.

 

[DaveG]

So, just did a bit of stat digging today, Needaspellcheck is leading the AHL in wins. Tied at 25 with one other but he's also done it in 4 fewer games. There's no reason for him not to be given serious consideration for the backup spot this upcoming season even if they've decided to let things play out with Ward-Darling for the rest of this year.

 

[A Star is Burns]

So, just did a bit of stat digging today, Needaspellcheck is leading the AHL in wins. Tied at 25 with one other but he's also done it in 4 fewer games. There's no reason for him not to be given serious consideration for the backup spot this upcoming season even if they've decided to let things play out with Ward-Darling for the rest of this year.

I've been one of the people not giving up on him, but it seems like he's probably not ready yet just because the team in front of him scores a lot and he's gotten to play a lot with Smith being awful. Any consideration he gets should be small, and I hope we aim higher until he forces his way in.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

It would be amazing if Warren Foegele turned out to be the next Andrew Cogliano. For such a low pick, that would be amazing value. Also, although Cogs isn't a top line player, he is a huge role player on a playoff team. Or, better yet, could Foegele be the next Matty Cullen?

 

[bluedevil58]

It would be amazing if Warren Foegele turned out to be the next Andrew Cogliano. For such a low pick, that would be amazing value. Also, although Cogs isn't a top line player, he is a huge role player on a playoff team. Or, better yet, could Foegele be the next Matty Cullen?

I'm thinking the best Tommy Westlund.

 

[CandyCanes]

It would be amazing if Warren Foegele turned out to be the next Andrew Cogliano. For such a low pick, that would be amazing value. Also, although Cogs isn't a top line player, he is a huge role player on a playoff team. Or, better yet, could Foegele be the next Matty Cullen?

Agreed. I definitely envision him as a guy in the mold of a Cullen, Cogliano, Hagelin. Basically a very valuable 3rd liner, brings a lot of speed, good two game, and kills penalties. Let's hope he becomes that.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Zykov just hit 30. Two PPGs tonight after two periods. First goal was originally credited to Wallmark, but evidently, Zykov Aho'd it just as it was crossing the line.

 

[CandyCanes]

Zykov just hit 30. Two PPGs tonight after two periods. First goal was originally credited to Wallmark, but evidently, Zykov Aho'd it just as it was crossing the line.

How does this kid score so many goals on the PP? It's crazy

 

[MinJaBen]

How does this kid score so many goals on the PP? It's crazy

He gets his ass in front of the goal. And stays there.

 

[Moosetache]

isn't zykov like a -20 too? that is kind of concerning.

 

[A Star is Burns]

isn't zykov like a -20 too? that is kind of concerning.

As someone mentioned recently, he's been a plus player in his recent career. Maybe it's just as odd of a year for him on that stat as it is for him being such a prolific goal scorer. All that PP success lends itself to that as well.

 

[CandyCanes]

He gets his ass in front of the goal. And stays there.

Saw his goals tonight and literally exactly that. It's amazing how simple he plays the PP and has so much success doing so. I really think that part of his game can translate to the NHL if he can handle the more physical NHL.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Saw his goals tonight and literally exactly that. It's amazing how simple he plays the PP and has so much success doing so. I really think that part of his game can translate to the NHL if he can handle the more physical NHL.

Unfortunately, we will never know.

 

[Tryamw]

Unfortunately, we will never know.

So it's like how many licks it'll take to get to the Tootsie roll center of a Tootsie Pop. Makes sense.