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How to Keep Karlsson

Discussion in 'Ottawa Senators' started by OttawaKing, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. OttawaKing

    OttawaKing Registered User

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    I am aware that it may not actually make a difference, but how come no one has created a petition that states we want Karlsson be kept no matter the cost, assuming we're all ok with him being payed whatever he thinks is fair value, not what the team considers fair value.

    If I were to create one, do you think there would be strong support?
     
  2. dzingelalltheway

    dzingelalltheway Let's win it all -MR

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    Public opinion has clearly never mattered less to this organization. There have already been billboards promoting the dissatisfaction with the team's direction and encouraging the team to pay Karlsson, and the end result was the owner calling us losers on Twitter. A petition will accomplish exactly nothing. If Karlsson's sticking around, the only way for that to happen IMO is if Melnyk and Hoffman are both out of the picture and he's made a fair offer.
     
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    At this point I think Karlsson signing is bigger than what the fans want. I'm sure he knows how much the city of Ottawa want's him to stay, as we are seeing from the Hoffman debacle, there is a lot of other issues going on that we are only now learning of.
     
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    Keeping Karlsson probably requires 3 ingredients, none of which fans have control over.

    1) Hoffman traded.
    2) piles of money
    3) new ownership
     
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    Owner - Daniel Alfredsson.
     
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    I'd switch the order and emphasis to
    1) New ownership
    2) A fair offer
    3) Hoffman traded (or dumps GF and apologizes to team and Karlsson's)
     
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  7. dzingelalltheway

    dzingelalltheway Let's win it all -MR

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    Dude, his girlfriend allegedly wished his career to be over and – far more importantly – wished his unborn child dead and accused his wife of being responsible for a stillbirth. And Hoffman defended his girlfriend. If there's any shred of truth to it whatsoever, no amount of apologies can fix that.
     
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    Apologies go further than you think.

    No apologies from his fiance could ever be enough, but if Mike was actually ignorant to what was happening and once confronted with hard evidence that it was her, if he admits to being wrong and apologizing (and dumping her obviously), they could maybe mend fences. Love makes people do stupid things, he could truly believe she is innocent.
     
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    Makes sense, I get that Melnyk takes very little stock of the things we do. All he cares about is a full stadium. I know all about the MelnykOut campaign. I'm just always hoping that maybe there's something we do, one extra little show of support that ends up tipping the scales in favour of Karlsson deciding to stay.
    Hence the petition as a source to even with lowest probability, bring the possibility of them offering him more and also convincing Karlsson it's worth it to stay in spite of not getting along with the owner or some team mates.

    Of course, I'm being selfish, what he should do is not go for money but instead go where he will be able to enjoy his career the most.
     
  10. Sensung

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    What if Hoffman had no knowledge of how far off the deep end his GF has gone? He might have been in denial, but if he turfs her out and then apologizes there is a chance at reconciliation.
     
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    The way I see it, IF she is indeed guilty and IF Hoffman didn’t know, it has to be taken in consideration that he’s not just going to turn the other cheek over night. They’ve been together 10 years, according to reports. He’s going to be under shock and feel pretty lost and confused and would likely require counselling of his own.
     
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    Sell the team this week.
     
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    Senscore The Superior B-Side

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    If enough of us go over to his house we can lie down in front of his car.
     
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    No turning back now. If this wasn't done internally, then it was obviously planned to out the Hoffman camp.

    Disaster of epic proportions and don't know where the team is going . For real.
     
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    Dont worry sens fans i will make it my mission to have the mts center crowd chat "psycho girlfriend" when ever mike hoffman steps on the ice next year! hopefully its not in a sens jersey!
     
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    Sorry but this made my day. Thank you.:laugh:
     
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    If Karlsson leaves it's because Karlsson wants out. No petition or whatever will change a thing about this.
     
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    Or the VERY LIKELY SCENARIO WHERE THE TEAM GIVES HIM AN UNDER MARKET OFFER AND HE REFUSES TO TAKE A HOMETOWN DISCOUNT!!!!
     
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    I'm starting to think the only way we keep Karlsson involves going to the hardware store and picking up a dozen rolls of duck tape and a hundred yards of hemp rope. You do the math on how we use it.
     
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    Karlsson has the ability to keep Ottawa out of hitting rock bottom and getting great premium draft picks.
    If you dealt him for future assets, the rebound once it gets going could shoot Ottawa to the top.
    This recent news is a great excuse to lose big and collect a future superstar in the draft.
     
  22. dzingelalltheway

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    Without the first next year, that's going to be a challenge. And any team that acquires Karlsson isn't likely going to be bottoming out.
     
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    Presumably you give up 4th OA if the goal is to bottom out.

    So, for example, trade Karlsson for a couple top prospects and a pick.

    Build around our young prospects; Brown, White, Chabot, Batherson, Formenton, and whomever we pick next season along with whatever returns we get from Karlsson (and likely Stone and Duchene given they probably don't want to re-sign if we go scorched earth).

    Trading Karlsson, Stone and Duchene for futures packages likely would mean a top 5 pick in each of the next two drafts with a good chance at top 3 both years. This would be a much easier decision mind you if they hadn't tank-proofed the draft.
     
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    What a sickening thought.
     
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    Short of Geno selling the team, I don't see how he can stay.

    As for a petition, it's not with the digital paper it's printed on. What players you want to keep really doesn't matter to management. They have a job to do and it's not simply pandering to the fans fancy. If they honestly feel the organization is better off trading EK, they should do that.
     
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