Honest opinion on these prospects..

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  1. Howard35

    Howard35 Registered User

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    i want:
    player: line potential / pts he should get on average / when hes nhl ready
    *goalies record like how many wins he could get

    thank you in advance:

    Igor Grigorenko
    Jiri Hudler
    Valterri Filpulla
    Evan McGrath
    Stefan Liv
    Kyle Quincey
    Sean Bergenheim
    Dustin Brown
    Alexander Picard (CBJ)
    Konstantin Pushkaryev
    Konstantin Korneyev
    Tobias Enstrom
    Daivid Booth
    Loui Eriksson
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot
    Marc-Andre Fleury
    Niklas Kronwall
    Anton Babchuk
    Brent Seabrook
    Roman Voloshenko
    Lukas Kaspar
    Mikhail Grabovsky
    Aki Seitsonen
    Brad Fast
    Darryl Bootland
    Johan Franzen

    thanks a ton!! :yo:
     
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    I've only seen Brown play enough games where I can form an opinion on him.

    He's a very safe prospect, which is what Dave Taylor knew he was getting. He really could go anywhere from 1st line to 4th line, because he's willing to play a physical game when need be. So even if he doesn't develop well enough to score at the NHL level, he will at least be able to play a physical game to keep the other team honest.

    He'll likely make the Kings starting line-up when the season restarts, unless he bombs training camp. However, he made it last season, so there's no reason to think he won't be able to do it again.

    On average, I'd venture a guess he'd be good for around 60-70 points. Next season I'd be happy if he made 15-20.

    He scored a goal in one of his first games, but it was disallowed on a bad call. He got injured a couple weeks after. He came back and reinjured it again. When he was finally healthy, his first and only NHL goal was scored against the Avalanche by holding off Adam Foote long enough to receive a pass in the slot for him to deflect into the net... so look for him to develop a powerforward type game as he progresses in his career.
     
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    I'm not a big fan of Bootland and Seabrook. Kronwall will be a very good defenseman, Girgorenko may be a star
     
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    McDonald19 Marcus Pettersson

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    Saw Kaspar at the Pacific Division Rookie Tournament last September and on TV in the WJCS.

    He has speed size and talent. I think the Sharks will bring him along slowly as he is pretty inconsistent and needs work in a lot of areas.

    2nd line potential/25-25-50/1 more year of juniors then 2 years of AHL
     
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    Igor Grigorenko - top line, All-Star potential
    Jiri Hudler - 1st line talent, size will limit him to 2nd line, IMO
    Valterri Filpulla - 2nd liner
    Evan McGrath - still worries me a bit, 2nd or 3rd liner
    Stefan Liv - good back-up
    Kyle Quincey - know nothing here
    Sean Bergenheim - seems very similar to Lauri Korpikoski
    Dustin Brown - Dave Andreychuk with better skating
    Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 3rd liner
    Konstantin Pushkaryev - could be a superstar or a bust, sky-high risk
    Konstantin Korneyev - who?
    Tobias Enstrom - ???
    Daivid Booth - 2nd or 3rd line PF potential, big risk
    Loui Eriksson - 3rd line two-way player, classic Finnish defensive forward.
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot - good 2nd liner with aq Rob Niedermayer type career, but more offensive and less versatile.
    Marc-Andre Fleury - risk... could be DiPietro no. 2.
    Niklas Kronwall - maybe a Kimmo Timonen type.
    Anton Babchuk - no. 2 or 3 stay-at-home d-man
    Brent Seabrook - no. 2 d-man
    Roman Voloshenko - risky, skating has greatly improved, 2nd line potential.
    Lukas Kaspar - well-rounded 2nd liner with finishing prowess.
    Mikhail Grabovsky - did well in the Super League, all I know.
    Aki Seitsonen - I'd rate him an HF 6.
    Brad Fast - don't know much
    Darryl Bootland - same
    Johan Franzen - top 4 offensive d-man
     
  6. BobMarleyNYR

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    Take my opinion how you will, sorry I mixed up two countries right next to each other. And it doesn't matter, 'cause Swedish forwards are often defensively sound also. I think it's a little ridiculous to do what you just did though.
     
  7. Bender

    Bender TheHockeyProspector

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    I think that would be pretty good. DiPietro is turning into one hell of a goaltender.
     
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    Exactly, don't mean that in a bad way... Fleury is phenomenal and shows promise, but he's had a tough time developing.
     
  9. HFNHL Canadiens

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    Max Potential
    Igor Grigorenko - 1st line forward - 70 + pts a year
    Jiri Hudler - 2nd liner (on detroit) - 50 - 70 pts a year
    Valterri Filpulla - 2nd liner- 40 - 50pts a year
    Evan McGrath - 2nd liner - 40 - 50 pts a year
    Stefan Liv - Journey man starter - 25 wins a year
    Kyle Quincey - top 4 defensemen - 20 - 30 pts a year
    Sean Bergenheim - 3rd line energy player - 20 - 30 pts a year
    Dustin Brown - 2nd liner - 40-50 pts a year
    Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 3rd liner - 25 - 35 pts a year
    Konstantin Pushkaryev - 1st line forward - 60-70 pts a year
    Konstantin Korneyev - 5th-6th dmen - 15-20 pts a year
    Tobias Enstrom - Power Play QB - 40+pts a year
    Daivid Booth - ???
    Loui Eriksson- 2nd - 3rd line player - 30 - 40pts
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot- 2nd liner - 40-50 pts a year
    Marc-Andre Fleury - Allstar Goalie - 35+ wins per year
    Niklas Kronwall - AllStar Dmen - 50 + pts per year
    Anton Babchuk - Top 4 Dmen - 20 - 30 pts per year
    Brent Seabrook - Top 4 Dmen 20 - 30 pts per year
    Roman Voloshenko- Top 2line fwd 50-60 pts a year
    Lukas Kaspar- 3rd line energy player - 35-45 pts per year
    Mikhail Grabovsky - Top line player - 70+ pts per year
    Aki Seitsonen - 4th liner at best
    Brad Fast - 4th liner at best
    Darryl Bootland - same
    Johan Franzen - top 4 dmen - 35 - 40 pts a year

    The worst that could happen
    Igor Grigorenko - plays in europe
    Jiri Hudler - plays in europe
    Valterri Filpulla - plays in europe
    Evan McGrath - AHLer
    Stefan Liv- plays in europe
    Kyle Quincey - 7th dmen
    Sean Bergenheim - 4th liner
    Dustin Brown - 4th liner
    Alexander Picard (CBJ)- 4th liner
    Konstantin Pushkaryev - Europe
    Konstantin Korneyev -Europe
    Tobias Enstrom - Europe (probably won't ever come over)
    Daivid Booth - ???
    Loui Eriksson - Europe
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot - AHLer
    Marc-Andre Fleury - AHLer
    Niklas Kronwall- 5 - 6 dmen
    Anton Babchuk - 7th dman
    Brent Seabrook - AHLer
    Roman Voloshenko - Europe
    Lukas Kaspar - 4th liner
    Mikhail Grabovsky - europe
    Aki Seitsonen - ECHLer
    Brad Fast - AHLer
    Darryl Bootland - AHLer
    Johan Franzen - Europe​
     
  10. Chaos

    Chaos And the winner is...

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    Well since I criticized someone elses list(and managed to get my post deleted), I might as well throw my opinion out there:

    Igor Grigorenko- 2nd line- 50-70 points
    Jiri Hudler- 2nd line or bust(leaning toward bust simply because of his size)-50 pts
    Valterri Filpulla- 3rd line- 20-40 points
    Evan McGrath- 2nd/3rd line- 35-55 points
    Stefan Liv- Barely average in NHL- plays in Sweden most of his career
    Kyle Quincey- Dont know enough
    Sean Bergenheim- 3rd line- 35 points
    Dustin Brown- 1st/2nd line- 65-80 points
    Alexander Picard (CBJ)-2nd/3rd line- 40-60 points
    Konstantin Pushkaryev- 2nd line- 60 points
    Konstantin Korneyev- Dont know enough
    Tobias Enstrom- Dont know enough
    Daivid Booth- Dont know enough
    Loui Eriksson- 1st/2nd line- 55-70 points
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot- 2nd/3rd line- 50-60 points
    Marc-Andre Fleury- Good solid NHL starter
    Niklas Kronwall- #3/4 dman, 30-40 points
    Anton Babchuk- #2 dman, 20 points
    Brent Seabrook- #3 dman, 30-40 points
    Roman Voloshenko- 2nd/3rd liner, 40-60 points
    Lukas Kaspar- 2nd/3rd liner, 50 points
    Mikhail Grabovsky - 3rd liner, 30 points
    Aki Seitsonen- Dont know enough
    Brad Fast- Dont know enough
    Darryl Bootland- Dont know enough
    Johan Franzen- 3rd/4th liner, 25-35 points. Everyone is getting this guy wrong. Hes an overage(24 I think) Detroit forward prospect, not the Stars defenseman Johan Fransson.
     
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    I like the Pushkaryev yet at max potential he could put up more pts offensivelly he has one of the highest ceiling out of any prospect his defense is his problem. As for Browns max potential being 40-50 pts i think thats being harsh towards him he has shown in AHL he can score more then that and was said to be the safest pick and has held that and i like the other comparison made more about him saying 65-80 pts i think thats more accurate.
     
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    Quincey is one of the OHL's best d-men. Last cut from the WJC canada team this past year. Physical, stay-at-home type. Projects(hopefully) as a #4 d-man that can clear the net.

    Brad Fast has decent potential, more likely an AHL player. He had one good year out of Michigan State, and then fell flat on his face this past year, ending up in the ECHL.

    Bootland is a 4th liner at best, if he can get there.

    Also, Franzen is a forward, 3rd liner, good 4th liner at best.
     
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    Sean Bergeheim has more potential than 20-30 points. He's a hard worker who to this homer seems like he could be a 20 goal scorer.
     
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    OK, I confused Johan Franzen with Johan Fransson.
     
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    I agree.

    I think 20 goals and 25-30 assists seems about right to me for an average season for him.
     
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    Chaos And the winner is...

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    It happens alot...I used to think it was just a typo until I figured out they were actually two different people.
     
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    I'll only do the guys I've watched on more than a few occasions

    Igor Grigorenko - 2nd line or bust
    Jiri Hudler - bust
    Valterri Filpulla - decent 2nd line or great 3rd line
    Evan McGrath - 2nd line
    Stefan Liv - will leave NA after realizing Howard is never going to let him play in Detroit
    Sean Bergenheim - 2nd line
    Dustin Brown - 2nd line
    Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 2nd line
    Konstantin Pushkaryev - call me crazy, but 1st liner (70 points upside)
    Loui Eriksson - 2nd line
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot - 3rd line or bust
    Marc-Andre Fleury - not a top 5 NHL starter, but definately in the top 10 in the league
    Niklas Kronwall - #2 dman
    Anton Babchuk - #3 dman, but more likely as #4
    Brent Seabrook - #3 dman
    Roman Voloshenko - 2nd line
    Lukas Kaspar - 1st line (his stats aren't an indicator of the kind of player he has the potential to become)
    Mikhail Grabovsky - 3rd line or will never see NA ice
    Aki Seitsonen - 3rd line
    Johan Franzen - ready to step into the NHL now, good 3rd line
     
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    Line ratings are for potential, not the season they break into the league
    Igor Grigorenko- 2nd line/05-06
    Jiri Hudler- 2nd line/06-07
    Valterri Filpulla- 3rd line/05-06
    Evan McGrath- 2nd line/08-09
    Stefan Liv- Backup/05-06 or never
    Kyle Quincey- 2nd pairing/07-08
    Sean Bergenheim- 2nd line/05-06
    Dustin Brown- 1st line/05-06
    Alexander Picard (CBJ)- 2nd line/05-06
    Konstantin Pushkaryev- 3rd line/07-08
    Konstantin Korneyev- Bust
    Tobias Enstrom- 3rd pairing/08-09 or never
    Daivid Booth- 3rd line/08-09
    Loui Eriksson- 2nd line/06-07
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot- 2nd line/07-08
    Marc-Andre Fleury- Starting Goalie/07-08
    Niklas Kronwall- 1st pairing defenceman/05-06
    Anton Babchuk- 3rd pairing defenceman/06-07
    Brent Seabrook- 1st pairing defenceman/05-06
    Roman Voloshenko- 3rd line/07-08 or never
    Lukas Kaspar- 1st line/06-07
    Mikhail Grabovsky- 3rd line/07-08 or never
    Aki Seitsonen- 4th line/09-10
    Brad Fast- Bust
    Darryl Bootland- Bust
    Johan Franzen- 4th line/05-06 or never
     
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    As an NYR fan, I can tell you that I like Bergenheim ALOT. He may not reach 20 goals, but I definately think he has that potential.

    That said, I see him settling in as a third liner, but an elite third liner who will inevitably see 2nd line duty often. He's got great energy, but has the hands and a nice, quick shot to go with it. Great overall package.
     
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    Konstantine Korneev will probably never come over because he would need to accept a huge paycut to play in the AHL. He have been compared to Andrei Markov but he's way smaller. His potential is good, spacially on the PP. He's fast and can quarterback the PP but nothing more...if he reach the NHL: 5th-6th, 20 points, if not, he will be a star in Russia. He's two years away.

    Mikael Grabovski is a real wildcard. Many poster said he will be a 3rd liner but that's not true. He's an offensive kind of player so if he don't make it on the top two line of a team, he will stay in Russia. I think he wants to stay one more year in Russia before making the jump to N-A. He had an amazing season in the Superleague so he might be able to one day, be a second liner with a 50 points potential...(a la Zednik). He's two years away.

    Both of these player a small so we'll have to see how they can do against stronger players...
     
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    Igor Grigorenko - 1st liner / 60 pts / next year
    Jiri Hudler - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 2 years
    Valterri Filpulla - dont know
    Evan McGrath - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 4 years
    Stefan Liv - #2 / ? / 2 years
    Kyle Quincey - dont know
    Sean Bergenheim - 3rd liner / 30 pts / next year
    Dustin Brown - 1st liner / 65 pts / next year
    Alexander Picard (CBJ) - 2nd liner / 55 pts / 3 years
    Konstantin Pushkaryev - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 3 years
    Konstantin Korneyev - dont know
    Tobias Enstrom - second pairing / 30 pts / 3 years
    Daivid Booth - 3rd liner / 40 pts / 3 years
    Loui Eriksson - 2nd liner / 60 pts / 2 years
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 2 years
    Marc-Andre Fleury - #1 / ? / 2 years
    Niklas Kronwall - #1 defenseman / 50 pts / next year
    Anton Babchuk - #4 defenseman / 30 pts / 2 years
    Brent Seabrook - #4 defenseman / 30 pts / 3 years
    Roman Voloshenko - 3rd liner / 35 pts / 4 years
    Lukas Kaspar - 2nd liner / 50 pts / 3 years
    Mikhail Grabovsky - 3rd liner / 40 pts / 4 years
    Aki Seitsonen - 3rd liner / 40 pts / 3 years
    Brad Fast - dont know
    Darryl Bootland - dont know
    Johan Franzen - 3rd liner / 40 pts / next year
     
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    Igor Grigorenko: 1st line, 70 points, 2 years.
    Jiri Hudler: 2nd line, 50 points, 1 year.
    Valterri Filpulla: 3rd line, 40 points, 3 years.
    Evan McGrath: 2nd line, 60 points, 3 years .
    Stefan Liv: Back-up Goalie, next year.
    Kyle Quincey: 4th Defenseman, 25 points good +/-, 4 years.
    Sean Bergenheim: 2nd line, two-way scorer, next year.
    Dustin Brown: 1st line power forward, 80 points, 2 years.
    Alexander Picard (CBJ): 2nd line, 60 points, 3 years.
    Konstantin Pushkaryev: 2nd line, 55 points, 2 years.
    Konstantin Korneev: 5-6th defenseman, 20 points, 2 years.
    Tobias Enstrom: 5-6th defenseman, 20 points, 3 years.
    Daivid Booth: 3rd line grinder, 45 points, 3 years.
    Loui Eriksson: 2nd line winger, 55 points, 3 years
    Marc-Antoine Pouliot: 2nd line, two-way 60 points, 2 years.
    Marc-Andre Fleury: #1 goalie in the world, 40 wins, 1 more year in the AHL.
    Niklas Kronwall: #1 defenseman,45 points, NOW!
    Anton Babchuk: #3 defenseman, 30 points , 2 years.
    Brent Seabrook: #1 defenseman, 40 points, 2 years
    Roman Voloshenko: 2nd line scorer, 55 points, 3 years.
    Lukas Kaspar: 1st line forward, 65 points, 3 years.
    Mikhail Grabovsky: 2nd line scorer, 55 points, next season.
    Aki Seitsonen: 2nd line two-way player, 50 points, 2 years.
    Brad Fast: Don't know him.
    Darryl Bootland: 3rd line grinder, 35 points, next season.
    Johan Franzen: 3rd liner, 45 points, 2 years.
     
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    hes a forward

    and is there a reason why my post was deleted, i dont really like that, i was stating a opinion on why 160 ppl couldnt post something on 1 guy and it was taken off :shakehead
     
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    thanks everyone for the input i just read it all
     
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    I hear ya, but avoid criticizing moderator decisions publicly - one of my many offenses.
     
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