Value of: Holtby to Colorado

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  1. Hmmm

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    I for one would give up our first for Holtby in a heartbeat, as for Varly what would our return be?
     
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    It's difficult to peg honestly. How much value does a oft injured starter have with one year left? Maybe to some team who loses their starter early in the year, or at the TDL.. Maybe a team who has a younger goalie transitioning, and does not want a long term #1?

    I think you'd have to give him away for whatever the best offer is. Probably a 2nd round pick in the best of situations.
     
  3. 72hockey guy

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    exactly Washington for all their bluster isnt carrying Holtby Grubauer and Samsonov forever. they can deny it till they are blue in the face. eventually they will let one go for less than they are willing to admit to
     
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    I was talking about Varly? All of Washington's goalies have enough value to get them a 1st round pick. It's the additions that are in question.
     
  5. 72hockey guy

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    well varly is problematical because he has 1 year remaining at 5.9M which leaves you with 2 questions:

    how satisfied are you with bernier or hammond as a replacement
    and do you wish to pay Varly a raise he'll likely want as a replacement

    I myself wouldnt like either of those options and I suspect that Sakic agrees hence his interest in Sorokin in the early duchene talks

    I think he saw Sorokin as a solution long term but unfortunately for him Garth Snow feels the same about Sorokin and reports are now that the Isles new owners are now willing to give him an NHL contract once he can buy his release from the KHL

    this is especially so since the NHL has clarified that no KHL player can be a free agent without first signing a standard player contract, since there is no transfer agreement with the KHL. so as far as the NHL is concerned he is Islander restricted forever unless he signs an NHL deal with them first or they trade or release his rights

    I expect Sakic will just keep varly
     
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  6. EdAVSfan

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    If you can get Holtby for the 16th overall and no major additions, you don’t think twice about it.

    HIGHLY unlikely that’s all he goes for.
     
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    So Varlamov cannot stay healthy, but the isles should pursue him?
     
  8. 72hockey guy

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    id rather keep halak than pay anything for Varlamov

    only way id take varlamov is straight up for Greiss and I see no reason for colorado to do that

    we're better off doing what the caps are, bringing in Sorokin like they are Samsonov

    no need to take anybodys unwanted players unless they pay us to take them
     
  9. trick9

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    Schneider returned top-10 pick and he had zero Vezina nominations. Holtby has won that and has finished second once.

    That pick is not nearly enough. I would trade Grubauer's rights for that though.
     
  10. Freudian

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    Caps aren't using Holtby in the playoffs because he had a weak season, he's older than Schneider was at the time of the trade and he's being paid $6.1M/year for another two years.

    If Caps consider Holtby their starter going forward, he obviously won't be traded. If they have decided to move on, he's not as valuable as Schneider was.
     
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    There is nothing at all to suggest this is correct. Just look at the Value Of: Holtby to....... threads on the Main Boards. Multiple teams are looking to move on and upgrade their goaltending. If the Caps decide to trade Holtby or Grubauer they can just let the league know one of them is going on the block and they'll take the best offer. They'll easily get a return very close to if not better than Schneider, likely for either G. Holtby is far more proven than Schneider was and the Cap has gone up since that time, if anything Holtby's salary right now is fantastic for a Vezina-winning goalie moving forward. For all the banter about Holtby's down year the Caps were one of the 5 worst teams in the league in shot differential, both goalies were under fire and guess what for Holtby's less than stellar boxcars he was still 34-16-4. He's also less than 3 full seasons removed from a Vezina win and 4th place in Hart Trophy voting. Hell, when the Caps traded Varlamov they weren't in the best position because a goaltending controversy was brewing and they got value comparable to Schneider for him. At this point any team that wants a Caps goalie is going to pay substantially for them, a 1st is the starting point and for Holtby a Top-10 pick (7-10) is probably close to his value.
     
  12. StephenPeat

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    Multiple Caps fans and even fans of other teams

    have told you you're wrong about this, maybe it's time for you to move on?
     
  13. drw02

    drw02 I beg to differ

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    Caps fans are demanding overpayment for a goalie they don't feel comfortable starting in the playoffs?
     
  14. hb11xchamps

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    Play the hot hand. Ask Pittsburgh how that worked out for them with Murray.
     
  15. AlexBrovechkin8

    AlexBrovechkin8 Playoff chokers, they said.

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    Not a chance Samsonov is moved. Either Grubauer or Holtby will be moved. Logic says Grubauer but it wouldn't shock me if it's Holtby.
     
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    I don't know how much of an upgrade Holtby would be. He is a really good goalie, but IMO he's not a game breaker (at least not in the last couple of years). I also wouldn't be shocked in Holtby is moved. Likely to Philly since we don't have an NHL caliber goalie. I'd be ok with it, but I am not a huge fan of Holtby overall. v
     
  17. StephenPeat

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    We're not demanding an overpayment. I don't think a single Caps poster has started a thread about Holtby or Grubauer to any other team. Rather, we're suggesting that the Caps aren't going to GIVE Holtby or Grubauer away for less than their value which is established by numerous similar such trades in the very recent past. Here to help.
     
  18. StephenPeat

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    Yeah he was just 4th in Hart Trophy voting and won a Vezina 3 seasons ago and was 2nd in Vezina voting 2 seasons ago but whatev.
     
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    In fairness, I remember a lot of scouts and articles questioning how deep the draft was after the first few picks and not looked at to be the same. However, that top 9 ended up being damn good looking at back at it. Even if 5-9 changed orders, I don't see any of them being traded 1-1 for Schneider. I think the draft was better than some expected.

    Nathan Mackinnon
    Aleksander Barkov
    Jonathan Drouin
    Seth Jones
    Elias Lindholm
    Sean Monahan
    Darnell Nurse
    Rasmus Ristolainen
    Bo Horvat

    Looking at some mock drafts, would caps rather have Holtby or Smith, Kupari, Wilde, Hayton, Lundestrom, Samuelson? All those orders can change based on which mock drafts and ranking you look at.
     
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    Really? I thought at the time it was considered as a very deep draft. 2014 draft at the time was considered as the weak one in between of 2 strong ones.

    Wasn't there another better pick offered for Schneider too? I believe from Oilers. Franchise goalies do have value.
     
  21. StephenPeat

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    This is kinda like comparing Apples to Morels.
     
  22. StephenPeat

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    Rumored (and confirmed I believe) 7th Overall from the Oilers.
     
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    Isles offered Nino ,but Vancouver went with NJ's offer.
     
  24. Semyon Says

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    would trade 16 for holtby in a heartbeat.

    wont happen though
     
  25. agentblack

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    Can some Caps fans shed some light on the Holtby trade spec/Samsonov /Grubauer /Carlsson re-signing---everything seems to hinge on one thing happening or not happening
     

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