Holik wants to be paid during the playoffs

[Ziggy Stardust]

Ah man, the neverending ignorance continues. When signing a contract, the players are paid for their services, playoffs or no playoffs. Should pay be taken away if players don't play up to their expectations, afterall, they aren't doing what they are paid to do. Take that into consideration.
Also, players work out deals with incentives that pays them performance bonuses that are triggered when they reach certain statistics or help advance a team beyond the 1st, 2nd, 3rd round... and another bonus for a Cup. See Sergei Fedorov's deal when he re-signed with the Red Wings (thanks to Carolina's offer).

Now that is a novel concept... a player getting paid more by his performance. Why not include this clause in the next CBA along with a cap to players salaries. Players can surpass the set cap when they trigger specific clauses, like a bonus for scoring 30+, 40+, 50+ goals. 70 points, 80 points, 90 points, 100+ points, etc. When they win some hardware or are named to an all-star team. The players will still get guaranteed contracts, but no more than $6M max. Let's say a player maxes out all of his performance bonuses (as in wins all the major awards, leads the league in scoring with 60+ goals and 150+ points, gets his team far in the playoffs, etc.) he will be awarded $8-10M in total, so a bonus of $2-4M if he establishes himself as the best player in the league.

For once I'd like to see all players trying hard and this would give them a reason to try harder. Even though it may not seem fair to the lesser skilled players... they can have clauses included in their deals as well that rewards their contribution to the team. Calculate average ice time... games appeared in... bring back the shots blocked and hits statistics and include them in their clauses. We may start seeing more hitting and wide open hockey with players trying to attack more and players attempting to lay more hits on.

The same criteria could be set for goalies... virtually any position could be impacted by this and benefit from it. It would also be a nice promotion for the league and the players... a new slogan for them. "Our players work harder" or something to that effect. When you have NBA players admitting they didn't try their best... baseball players making ridiculous amounts of money... it would be a good reflection on the league that these players work their asses off and actually earn the money they make rather than just being rewarded for one good year with a contract that lasts 5 seasons at $10M per year (or something ridiculous like what Yashin or Holik or Guerin make who have done nothing to improve the clubs they signed with).

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

It was the Rangers GM who offered the contract so its not like Holik is stealing from him. Holik shouldnt be making more than 4 or 5 million. I dont feel any sympathy for the Rangers being stuck with this contract when they were the ones who offered it to him.

He obviously took advantage of the feeble-minded and in my books that's a crime.

 

[SENSible1*]

Holik was referring to this year's playoff and he has a point.

I say the owners should offer 50% of the gate reciepts to the players if they come back under a capped NHL.

 

[thinkwild]

Instead of player paycheques ending after the reg season, just spread the contract payments from beginning of season until stanley cup. If you arent playing by the 2nd round, your checks stop, and you miss the final few payments on the contract. In a sense, its not guaranteed to be fully paid unless the team wins the cup.

Right now, players play the playoffs for the glory. This is business, they must play for money.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

Holik was referring to this year's playoff and he has a point.

I say the owners should offer 50% of the gate reciepts to the players if they come back under a capped NHL.

doesnt the 2.4 billion in revenues (or whatever the # is) that the owners claim is revenue, include the playoff money ?

54 % of revenue then includes the playoffs.

seems the owners are already offering to pay the players for the playoffs.

no ?

dr

 

[Habsfan 32]

lolz, Holik might want to get into the playoffs first.

Nice one

 

[SENSible1*]

doesnt the 2.4 billion in revenues (or whatever the # is) that the owners claim is revenue, include the playoff money ?

54 % of revenue then includes the playoffs.

seems the owners are already offering to pay the players for the playoffs.

no ?

dr

I would assume that the paychecks would be based on the season alone, as was the previous arrangement.

If their 54% is spread over the season or the season and playoffs doesn't really matter.

I was looking at the splitting of the gate as an additional carrot for the players.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

I would assume that the paychecks would be based on the season alone, as was the previous arrangement.

If their 54% is spread over the season or the season and playoffs doesn't really matter.

I was looking at the splitting of the gate as an additional carrot for the players.

whether they pay them in one cheque or 100 cheques, it still includes a % of the playoff revenue, right ?

or is the NHL proposing to give the players 54% of all revenue minus the playoff revenue ?

i dunno, seems to me the players will be getting paid for the playoffs, regardless of when they get paid for it.

dr

 

[PecaFan]

Hey everyone, I got an idea.

Pay Bobby Holik "only" if he gets into the play-offs

Heh, I like this. Let's extend it to the entire league. You only get paid if your team makes the playoffs.

That'd put an end to the boring regular season. No more "union games" where teams go through the motions.

 

[quat]

funny didn't an owner pay holik that money? i think it takes two parties to sign a contract

how can a player be blamed for signing for a lot of money. holik wasn't a hold out he turned 31 and signed for the highest bid. toronto and the devils were in there bidding with the rangers.

Yup. Can't blame Holik for signing on the dotted line. But I do think we can hold him at least partially responsible for sounding like such a wack job at times. But this time might not be one, if he was just speaking of this season.

 

[BLONG7]

When you get paid 9M per... shouldn't that be enough for a third line checking centre??? Bobby Holik is EVERYTHING that is wrong with pro sports today!!! There is no way this moron should be making more than 2-2.5 M per season....I can't believe this ***** from a tird like Holik

 

[Da Game]

Holik does talk to much, but you got his salary wrong.

Holik officially makes about 6 million a year. I don't know the exact number, but he was given a huge signing bonus when he signed with the Rangers, to off-set the salary per year number, just incase there was a cap put in place.

Same with Kasper.

 

[BLONG7]

Holik does talk to much, but you got his salary wrong.

Holik officially makes about 6 million a year. I don't know the exact number, but he was given a huge signing bonus when he signed with the Rangers, to off-set the salary per year number, just incase there was a cap put in place.

Same with Kasper.

His deal was 5yrs and 45M.... sounds like an avg of 9M

 

[Da Game]

His deal was 5yrs and 45M.... sounds like an avg of 9M

Again, when Holik signed his contract, he was given a huge bonus, to bring his salary per year number down, just incase the NHL were to get a cap in place.

Basically, he doesn't earn 9 million per year, but around 5 to 6. The rest was given to him in signing bonus.

And if I'm correct, Holik is getting paid during this lockout.

 

[BLONG7]

Again, when Holik signed his contract, he was given a huge bonus, to bring his salary per year number down, just incase the NHL were to get a cap in place.

Basically, he doesn't earn 9 million per year, but around 5 to 6. The rest was given to him in signing bonus.

And if I'm correct, Holik is getting paid during this lockout.

You are splitting hairs... and if he is being paid during the lockout...then Glen Sather is really the biggest moron in all of this me$$...anyhow I dont give a rat's a$$ if he was given a 40M signing bonus... he signed a 45M deal for 5 years...

 

[Da Game]

You are splitting hairs... and if he is being paid during the lockout...then Glen Sather is really the biggest moron in all of this me$$...anyhow I dont give a rat's a$$ if he was given a 40M signing bonus... he signed a 45M deal for 5 years...

All I'm telling you is, he might have sign for that amount, but he's not making 9 million per year.

Example: Fedorov signed that offer sheet with the Canes, and the Red Wings had to match it, and paid Fed's something like 15 million his first year, and from then on, he receive 1.5 million each year.

I'm sure there's a Red Wings fan who can bless us with the exact figure of that contract. But I remembering it being really front loaded.

Anyway, if there were a cap put in place, Holik's cap number would be 6 million, and not 9.

 

[garry1221]

All I'm telling you is, he might have sign for that amount, but he's not making 9 million per year.

Example: Fedorov signed that offer sheet with the Canes, and the Red Wings had to match it, and paid Fed's something like 15 million his first year, and from then on, he receive 1.5 million each year.

I'm sure there's a Red Wings fan who can bless us with the exact figure of that contract. But I remembering it being really front loaded.

Anyway, if there were a cap put in place, Holik's cap number would be 6 million, and not 9.

14 mil and 2 mil per year after that

 

[Da Game]

14 mil and 2 mil per year after that

LOL. Thanks Garry. I was close.

Well that's sort of what the Rangers did with Holik and Kasper.

Same thing the Av's did with Sakic when the Rangers signed him to an offer sheet.

And if there is a Cap, that's going to be a huge loophole. Team's with money are going to give a player a high signing bonus, which comes with a low cap (salary) number to avoid a cap hit and leave room to sign other players.

 

[Brent Burns Beard]

LOL. Thanks Garry. I was close.

Well that's sort of what the Rangers did with Holik and Kasper.

Same thing the Av's did with Sakic when the Rangers signed him to an offer sheet.

And if there is a Cap, that's going to be a huge loophole. Team's with money are going to give a player a high signing bonus, which comes with a low cap (salary) number to avoid a cap hit and leave room to sign other players.

its pretty simple to overcome that. simply apply the average of the contract over the term of the deal. hence why it is referred to as 9m.

dr

 

[Steve L*]

funny didn't an owner pay holik that money? i think it takes two parties to sign a contract

how can a player be blamed for signing for a lot of money. holik wasn't a hold out he turned 31 and signed for the highest bid. toronto and the devils were in there bidding with the rangers.

Holik went on Holiday and told his agent to sign the largest contract wherever it was, now that sounds like a money grabber not interested in winning to me. He had the chance to sign for the Wings for slightly less than NYR were offering.

 

[CarlRacki]

All I'm telling you is, he might have sign for that amount, but he's not making 9 million per year.

Example: Fedorov signed that offer sheet with the Canes, and the Red Wings had to match it, and paid Fed's something like 15 million his first year, and from then on, he receive 1.5 million each year.

I'm sure there's a Red Wings fan who can bless us with the exact figure of that contract. But I remembering it being really front loaded.

Anyway, if there were a cap put in place, Holik's cap number would be 6 million, and not 9.

Well, in that case you'd better notify USA Today they're wrong.

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=holik&player=353

Also, cap figures include bonuses. So, if he's getting $6 million a year and the remainder was a $15 million bonus his cap figure would still be $9 million because the bonus would be spread out over the life of the contract, i.e. $15 million bonus over five years = $3 million per.

 

[BLONG7]

Well, in that case you'd better notify USA Today they're wrong.

http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=holik&player=353

Also, cap figures include bonuses. So, if he's getting $6 million a year and the remainder was a $15 million bonus his cap figure would still be $9 million because the bonus would be spread out over the life of the contract, i.e. $15 million bonus over five years = $3 million per.

Thanks for the backup Carl...

 

[NYR469]

in a way holik does have a point though, players don't get paid during the playoffs. so if almost the entire regular season is lost, why would the players agree to come back and play in the playoffs so the owners can make playoff profits without paying the players anything?? and the reason for the idea of a 30 team tourney isn't to be fair to the fans its so every owner can make back some of the $$ they lost...

if the players have already lost all their $$ for this year, then what is their incentive for playing?? why wouldn't they just say "screw it, we don't get paid till next october so we aren't playing till then?"

almost all lockout discussions revolve around what the players are going to give up for the league, but what about what the league is going to give to the players?? maybe the player would be more willing to consider a cap if the league started offering them other things that balance out their losses...and maybe something like offering to pay a % of their salaries during the playoffs to help recover their loses from this season would be viewed as a good faith move that would make the players more willing to accept the cap.

the league claims they want a partnership, so if the idea of a playoff tourney is for teams to recover some of their loses this year wouldn't it also make sense that as part of the 'partnership' the players were given a chance to recover some of their loses as well??

not saying to give the players their full salaries, but i also don't think the players would be out of line asking for something rather than being expect to return this year for nothing.

 

[Da Game]

Holik's salary will count only 6 million against the Cap, if there is one. The bonus isn't going to be included.

 

[NYR469]

Holik's salary will count only 6 million against the Cap, if there is one. The bonus isn't going to be included.

signing bonuses have to count or it isn't a hard cap...if big market clubs can get around the cap by giving out signing bonuses and incentives that defeats the purpose in a way...

now if it is a soft cap with a luxury tax thats different because that allows flexibility, but in a hard cap EVERYTHING has to count.