HOH Top 60 Wingers List & Voting Record - seventieslord

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Round 1 List
HOH Top 60 Wingers List & Voting Record - seventieslord - HFBoards

Players from our final top 60 not ranked in this top 60
John LeClair at 62
Bert Olmstead at 65
Alexander Yakushev (not ranked)
Vladimir Krutov (not ranked)

Players unique to this list
None

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Bobby Hull (tied with 18 others)
Bill Cook

Players ranked 2nd highest on this list
Maurice Richard (tied with 13 others)
Mike Bossy (tied with 11 others)
Charlie Conacher (tied with 3 others)
Johnny Bucyk (tied with 1 other)
Syd Howe (tied with 1 other)
Bryan Hextall
Brian Propp
Steve Larmer
Odie Cleghorn (tied with 1 other)

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Guy Lafleur (tied with 4 others)

Players ranked 2nd lowest on this list
Aurele Joliat (tied with 1 other)
Pavel Bure

Round 2 Voting

Higher than anyone else

Vote 7 - Phillips in 1st

Lower than anyone else

NONE

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[unknown33]

I remember him being someone with exceptionally few placements deviating from the group opinion in the goaltender/defense project, so I'm quite surprised this time.

 

[seventieslord]

I remember him being someone with exceptionally few placements deviating from the group opinion in the goaltender/defense project, so I'm quite surprised this time.

meh. this barely deviates, to be honest.

LeClair and Olmstead listed as outside the top-60 is just a technicality, since they barely made our top-60 and barely missed mine.

Yakushev was just plain a mistake. I realized that not too long into the project. Krutov? I should have ranked him but in the end when it came to vote on him, I still wasn't ready to.

My Hull ranking tied with 2/3 of the project, so that name being listed is just a technicality. Cook being 5th isn't deviant when a number of people had him 6th.

Richard and Bossy? Tied with half the project. Conacher, tied with 3. Bucyk and Howe I tied for the 2nd highest ranking.

Hextall I was too high on but I fell into line in round 2.

Propp and Larmer I was 2nd highest on, but that doesn't really strike me as deviant since a number of voters had them within a few spots.

Not that I think being deviant or non-deviant is anything to be proud or ashamed of (it's just a detail, not a positive or a negative) but I think if one were to determine the overall deviation in the round 1 lists compared to the final list, mine would be in the running for least-deviant.

 

[unknown33]

I'm not judging you or saying whether it's good or bad, just had the 4x NONE from the d man list in my mind when opening the thread.

 

[seventieslord]

I'm not judging you or saying whether it's good or bad, just had the 4x NONE from the d man list in my mind when opening the thread.

yeah, I realize that, and I'm correcting it nonetheless!

 

[seventieslord]

I did some quick manipulations on the master list, comparing each player's list to where the players actually ended up, then weighing it by the higher players on the list (so a rogue Ken Wharram 69th ranking doesn't have as much effect as putting Bill Cook 19th). Here are the lists, ranked in order of conformity - the lowest are the most deviant. Gaps deliberate.

1. unknown33
2. Rob Scuderi
3. BillyShoe1721
4. Hawkey Town 18
5. TheDevilMadeMe
6. seventieslord

7. Art Of Sedinery
8. Johnny Engine

9. Andros
10. MXD
11. ted1971
12. kmad
13. MadArcand

14. bigbuffalo313
15. Darth Yoda
16. intylerwetrust


17. ursaguy
18. Dennis Bonvie
19. tony d

20. reckoning


21. tarheelhockey
22. the edler





23. Canadiens1958





24. Hardyvan123

 

[MXD]

I did some quick manipulations on the master list, comparing each player's list to where the players actually ended up, then weighing it by the higher players on the list (so a rogue Ken Wharram 69th ranking doesn't have as much effect as putting Bill Cook 19th). Here are the lists, ranked in order of conformity - the lowest are the most deviant. Gaps deliberate.

1. unknown33
2. Rob Scuderi
3. BillyShoe1721
4. Hawkey Town 18
5. TheDevilMadeMe
6. seventieslord

7. Art Of Sedinery
8. Johnny Engine

9. Andros
10. MXD
11. ted1971
12. kmad
13. MadArcand

14. bigbuffalo313
15. Darth Yoda
16. intylerwetrust


17. ursaguy
18. Dennis Bonvie
19. tony d

20. reckoning


21. tarheelhockey
22. the edler





23. Canadiens1958





24. Hardyvan123

The Kurri effect, lol.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I did some quick manipulations on the master list, comparing each player's list to where the players actually ended up, then weighing it by the higher players on the list (so a rogue Ken Wharram 69th ranking doesn't have as much effect as putting Bill Cook 19th). Here are the lists, ranked in order of conformity - the lowest are the most deviant. Gaps deliberate.

1. unknown33
2. Rob Scuderi
3. BillyShoe1721
4. Hawkey Town 18
5. TheDevilMadeMe
6. seventieslord

7. Art Of Sedinery
8. Johnny Engine

9. Andros
10. MXD
11. ted1971
12. kmad
13. MadArcand

14. bigbuffalo313
15. Darth Yoda
16. intylerwetrust


17. ursaguy
18. Dennis Bonvie
19. tony d

20. reckoning


21. tarheelhockey
22. the edler





23. Canadiens1958





24. Hardyvan123

I bet if you put the number of ATD-forum posts beside each name, it would come pretty close to being a descending order.

 

[seventieslord]

I bet if you put the number of ATD-forum posts beside each name, it would come pretty close to being a descending order.

approximate ranks in order of ATD section posts:

1. seventieslord
2. TheDevilMadeMe
3. MXD
4. MadArcand
5. tony d
6. Rob Scuderi
7. Hawkey Town 18
8. BillyShoe1721
9. Johnny Engine
10. ted1971
11. tarheelhockey
12. canadiens1958
13. Hardyvan123
14-24: The other 11 (call them #19)

correlation between those two sets of rankings: 0.34

 

[seventieslord]

approximate ranks in order of ATD section posts:

1. seventieslord
2. TheDevilMadeMe
3. MXD
4. MadArcand
5. tony d
6. Rob Scuderi
7. Hawkey Town 18
8. BillyShoe1721
9. Johnny Engine
10. ted1971
11. tarheelhockey
12. canadiens1958
13. Hardyvan123
14-24: The other 11 (call them #19)

correlation between those two sets of rankings: 0.34

to do this more precisely now (top-9 have over 500 ATD posts and can only be estimated):

1. seventieslord
2. TheDevilMadeMe
3. MXD
4. MadArcand
5. tony d
6. Rob Scuderi
7. Hawkey Town 18
8. BillyShoe1721
9. Johnny Engine
10. Canadiens1958
11. tarheelhockey
12. reckoning
13. ted1971
14. Darth Yoda
15. Hardyvan123
16. bigbuffalo313
17. art of sedinery
18. andros
19. kmad
20-24. the rest (average of 21.5)

correlation between the two lists: 0.31

 

[tarheelhockey]

Sorting those to visually correlate with the list above:

X
6
8
7
2
1

17
9

18
3
13
19
4

16
14
X


X
X
5

12

11
X


10



15

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I did some quick manipulations on the master list, comparing each player's list to where the players actually ended up, then weighing it by the higher players on the list (so a rogue Ken Wharram 69th ranking doesn't have as much effect as putting Bill Cook 19th). Here are the lists, ranked in order of conformity - the lowest are the most deviant. Gaps deliberate.

1. unknown33
2. Rob Scuderi
3. BillyShoe1721
4. Hawkey Town 18
5. TheDevilMadeMe
6. seventieslord

7. Art Of Sedinery
8. Johnny Engine

9. Andros
10. MXD
11. ted1971
12. kmad
13. MadArcand

14. bigbuffalo313
15. Darth Yoda
16. intylerwetrust


17. ursaguy
18. Dennis Bonvie
19. tony d

20. reckoning


21. tarheelhockey
22. the edler





23. Canadiens1958





24. Hardyvan123

Six more deviant than myself.

I'm a little disappointed.

 

[MXD]

Six more deviant than myself.

I'm a little disappointed.

That would be a wonderful quote if it would have been off topic.

 

[Killion]

Sorting those to visually correlate with the list above:

X
6
8
7
2
1

17
9

18
3
13
19
4

16
14
X


X
X
5

12

11
X


10



15

My brains gunna explode. When did HOH become BTN people?

 

[Johnny Engine]

If the 2014 ATD draft order was submitted as its own list to the wingers project, where would it have fallen on the conformity chart?

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't know about the conformity numbers, but here's how it looks side by side.

Round 1 | ATD | Round 2
Howe|Howe|Howe
Bobby Hull|Richard|Bobby Hull
Richard|Bobby Hull|Richard
Jagr|Jagr|Jagr
Lafleur|Lafleur|Lafleur
Bossy|Bossy|Makarov
Cook|Lindsay|Cook
Lindsay|Kharlamov|Bossy
Makarov|Cook|Ovechkin
Ovechkin|Ovechkin|Lindsay
Kharlamov|Mahovlich|C. Conacher
C. Conacher|Kurri|Geoffrion
Mahovlich|Makarov|Kharlamov
Bathgate|Bathgate|Bathgate
Geoffrion|Geoffrion|Selanne
Selanne|C. Conacher|Mahovlich
Kurri|Moore|Denenny
Moore|Mikhailov|Moore
Brett Hull|Selanne|Joliat
Denenny|Denenny|Mikhailov
Joliat|Brett Hull|Kurri
Mikhailov|Joliat|Brett Hull
-|-|-
Blake|Iginla|Blake
Doug Bentley|Doug Bentley|Iginla
St. Louis|Firsov|St. Louis
Iginla|Blake|Firsov
Jackson|Bure|Jackson
Bure|Neely|D. Bentley
Firsov|Bucyk|Bure
Bucyk|Jackson|Phillips
Phillips|Olmstead|Syd Howe
Syd Howe|Goulet|Martinec
Dye|Shanahan|Schriner
Shanahan|St. Louis|Bucyk
Goulet|Broadbent|Hextall
Schriner|Phillips|Robitaille
Kariya|Hextall|Kariya
Robitaille|Kariya|Recchi
Hextall|Cournoyer|Shanahan
Martinec|Dye|Dye
Recchi|Middleton|Goulet
Cournoyer|Schriner|Hossa
Roy Conacher|Roy Conacher|Roy Conacher
Pitre|Leclair|Krutov
Hossa|Recchi|Elias
Kovalchuk|Noble|Cournoyer
Krutov|Robitaille|Alfredsson
Leclair|Dumart|Yakushev
Alfredsson|Martinec|Leclair
Elias|Naslund|Drillon
Balderis|Elias|Pitre
Drillon|Kovalchuk|Gilbert
Gilbert|Alfredsson|Thompson
Neely|Hossa|Balderis
Yakushev|Gainey|Fleury
Fleury|Anderson|Dillon
Olmstead|Cook|Olmstead
Middleton|Barber|Middleton
Noble|Nedomansky|Kovalchuk
Naslund|MacDonald||Noble

The gap is where the ATD round 4 began. It seems like the real variance starts just after that point (after Bentley really), which makes sense when you consider that's about where the ATD becomes more about acquiring specific complementary players rather than the cornerstone, BPA types.

Just eyeballing it, most of the variance tends toward the HOH list favoring recent, early and European players over 70s/80s/90s stat-heads and guys with a specific fantasy role.

 

[seventieslord]

I just gave the ATD top-80 the same treatment, as though it was a top-80 list submitted in round 1. It was quite deviant, actually, placing between the 16th and 17th actual lists I posted above.