HOH Top 60 Wingers List & Voting Record - Dennis Bonvie

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Round 1 List
HOH Top 60 Wingers List & Voting Record - Dennis Bonvie - HFBoards

Players from our final top 60 not ranked in this top 60
Syd Howe at 64
Rick Middleton at 67
Roy Conacher at 72
Patrik Elias at 74
Daniel Alfredsson at 78
Marian Hossa (not ranked)
Paul Thompson (not ranked)
Bert Olmstead (not ranked)
Ilya Kovalchuk (not ranked)

Players unique to this list
Viktor Shalimov

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Bobby Hull (tied with 18 others)
Guy Lafleur (tied with 2 others)
Alexander Ovechkin (tied with 4 others)
Andy Bathgate
Anatoli Firsov
Paul Kariya
Vladimir Krutov
Rick Martin
Sid Smith
Bobby Bauer

Players ranked 2nd highest on this list
Maurice Richard (tied with 13 others)
Mike Bossy (tied with 11 others)
Frank Mahovlich (tied with 5 others)
Cy Denneny (tied with 1 other)
Toe Blake (tied with 1 other)
Markus Naslund
Glenn Anderson
Clark Gillies
Kevin Stevens
Esa Tikkanen

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Ted Lindsay
Johnny Bucyk (tied with 1 other)

Players ranked 2nd lowest on this list
Jaromir Jagr (tied with 1 other)
Teemu Selanne
Bernie Geoffrion
Boris Mikhailov (tied with 1 other)
Yvan Cournoyer (tied with 1 other)
Roy Conacher
Syd Howe
Daniel Alfredsson

Round 2 Voting

Higher than anyone else

Vote 3 - Bathgate in 2nd
Vote 9 - Krutov in 1st
Vote 10 - Balderis in 6th
Vote 11 - Balderis in 5th
Vote 13 - Martin in 1st

Lower than anyone else

Round 3 - Lindsay in 5th
Round 8 - Hextall not ranked

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[thom]

Devil=Question please How does some one rate a Russian playing in the old Communist era in the Soviet League-Yes many were great but what stats are legitimate since Red Army was stacked thanks

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Devil=Question please How does some one rate a Russian playing in the old Communist era in the Soviet League-Yes many were great but what stats are legitimate since Red Army was stacked thanks

Why are you asking me? This is Dennis Bonvie's list.

 

[thom]

Sorry=Okay Dennis how do you rate Russians who played in communist era,communist Soviet League.I respect the old Russian players but how do you know for sure they would be elite players playing in NHL-Thanks

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Sorry=Okay Dennis how do you rate Russians who played in communist era,communist Soviet League.I respect the old Russian players but how do you know for sure they would be elite players playing in NHL-Thanks

Other than Firsov, I saw them play. Firsov was by reputation, awards and hearesay.

I don't think they would have to be elite players in the NHL. None of the Green Unit became elite NHL players, yet they were able to easily handle NHL all-stars when playing for the Soviet Union.

 

[kmad]

Solid list, I'm only really wondering what justification there could be for having Naslund so far ahead of Sedin.

 

[MXD]

Very predictable list and voting record. Quite a few disagreements, but nothing that screams wtf.

 

[unknown33]

Good list.

 

[MXD]

Actually, one LITTLE surprise. Considering peak emphasis by DB, Conacher 17th is definitely low, but DB was DB again in round 2, and Conacher went in the high-tens.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Solid list, I'm only really wondering what justification there could be for having Naslund so far ahead of Sedin.

Not sure there is one.

I'd call that a miscalculation on my part. Though I think I may have a negative bias against the Sedins because they have always had the luxury of playing with the same guy (who's also really good) basically their whole lives.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Actually, one LITTLE surprise. Considering peak emphasis by DB, Conacher 17th is definitely low, but DB was DB again in round 2, and Conacher went in the high-tens.

Maybe you guys are starting to slowly draw me away from my roots.

 

[kmad]

I'd call that a miscalculation on my part. Though I think I may have a negative bias against the Sedins because they have always had the luxury of playing with the same guy (who's also really good) basically their whole lives.

Yeah, it can be difficult to calculate their value as individuals. Not sure anyone has really nailed that down yet.

 

[MXD]

Maybe you guys are starting to slowly draw me away from my roots.

Actually, Conacher is a guy I'd rank differently myself after some research I made regarding Schriner and Thompson. Like, if it had to be done again, I'd strongly consider him with the Bossy/Lindsay/Ovechkin group (and he'd still have the peak advantage over them), instead of the Mahovlich/Geoffrion/Selanne/Bathgate group. We all learn something that makes us change our views, I guess.

 

[MXD]

Not sure there is one.

I'd call that a miscalculation on my part. Though I think I may have a negative bias against the Sedins because they have always had the luxury of playing with the same guy (who's also really good) basically their whole lives.

Actually, Henrik might be slightly overrated due to playing with Daniel, and Daniel might be slightly underrated due to playing with Henrik. That's my perception now, and I must say that I've been, for a long time, in the other camp.

 

[seventieslord]

Actually, Henrik might be slightly overrated due to playing with Daniel, and Daniel might be slightly underrated due to playing with Henrik. That's my perception now, and I must say that I've been, for a long time, in the other camp.

I think both are overrated due to eachother. why is one underrated?

 

[MXD]

I think both are overrated due to eachother. why is one underrated?

My perception is that Henrik is perceived as the better player, partly because the subtle aspects of performance are easier to notice on a C than on a W.

Most would consider Henrik the better player. As of now, I'm not quite sure of this (in other words, I see them as equals, and I think Henrik is widely considered the better player). That would make Henrik overrated and Daniel underrated.

 

[seventieslord]

My perception is that Henrik is perceived as the better player, partly because the subtle aspects of performance are easier to notice on a C than on a W.

Most would consider Henrik the better player. As of now, I'm not quite sure of this (in other words, I see them as equals, and I think Henrik is widely considered the better player). That would make Henrik overrated and Daniel underrated.

I think if we're talking ATD, Daniel becomes an attractive pick, because of position, well before Henrik does, if that means anything.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I think both are overrated due to eachother. why is one underrated?

Agreed.

 

[sr edler]

I like how you ranked Bure one spot in front of Selänne.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I like how you ranked Bure one spot in front of Selänne.

I'm still OK with that.