HOH Top 60 Defensemen List & Voting Record - tony d

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tony d

Rank | Player
Rank | Player
1 | Bobby Orr
2 | Ray Bourque
3 | Doug Harvey
4 | Eddie Shore
5 | Nicklas Lidstrom
6 | Denis Potvin
7 | Larry Robinson
8 | Red Kelly
9 | Slava Fetisov
10 | Chris Chelios
11 | Brad Park
12 | Paul Coffey
13 | Pierre Pilote
14 | Al MacInnis
15 | Scott Stevens
16 | King Clancy
17 | Earl Seibert
18 | Sprague Cleghorn
19 | Tim Horton
20 | Brian Leetch
21 | Bill Gadsby
22 | Chris Pronger
23 | Serge Savard
24 | Valeri Vasiliev
25 | Lionel Conacher
26 | Borje Salming
27 | Mark Howe
28 | Guy Lapointe
29 | Rod Langway
30 | Vladimir Konstantinov
31 | Jack Stewart
32 | Bill Quackenbush
33 | J.C. Tremblay
34 | Jacques Laperriere
35 | Larry Murphy
36 | Butch Bouchard
37 | Scott Niedermayer
38 | Marcel Pronovost
39 | Ebbie Goodfellow
40 | Carl Brewer
41 | Sylvio Mantha
42 | Tom Johnson
43 | Eddie Gerard
44 | Moose Johnson
45 | Ching Johnson
46 | Rob Blake
47 | Doug Wilson
48 | Jan Suchy
49 | Fern Flaman
50 | Zdeno Chara
51 | Alexei Kasatonov
52 | Harry Howell
53 | Hap Day
54 | George Boucher
55 | Allan Stanley
56 | Art Coulter
57 | Lester Patrick
58 | Alexander Ragulin
59 | Red Horner
60 | Brad McCrimmon
61 | Frantisek Pospisil
62 | Jimmy Thomson
63 | Bill White
64 | Harvey Pulford
65 | Doug Mohns
66 | Cy Wentworth
67 | Hod Stuart
68 | Gus Mortson
69 | Art Ross
70 | Si Griffis
71 | Lionel Hitchman
72 | Herb Gardiner
73 | Adam Foote
74 | Joe Hall
75 | Jean-Guy Talbot
76 | Leo Boivin
77 | Gary Suter
78 | Eric Desjardins
79 | Bob Baun
80 | Vladimir Lutchenko

Players from the Top 60 not to appear on this list
Dit Clapper
Babe Siebert
Ken Reardon
Harry Cameron

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Vladimir Konstantinov (30)
Red Horner (59)

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Dit Clapper (not listed)

Players unique to this list
None

Round | Rank 1 | Rank 2 | Rank 3 | Rank 4 | Rank 5 | Rank 6 | Rank 7 | Rank 8 | Rank 9 | Rank 10
Round 1 | Bobby Orr | Ray Bourque | Doug Harvey | Eddie Shore | Nicklas Lidstrom | Denis Potvin | Red Kelly | Larry Robinson | Slava Fetisov | Chris Chelios
Round 2 | Denis Potvin | Larry Robinson | Red Kelly | Slava Fetisov | Chris Chelios | Brad Park | Paul Coffey | Pierre Pilote | Al MacInnis | King Clancy
Round 3 | Brad Park | Paul Coffey | Pierre Pilote | Al MacInnis | Scott Stevens | King Clancy | Earl Seibert | Sprague Cleghorn | Tim Horton | Brian Leetch
Round 4 | Al MacInnis | Scott Stevens | Earl Seibert | Tim Horton | Brian Leetch | Bill Gadsby | Chris Pronger | Serge Savard | Valeri Vasiliev | Borje Salming
Round 5 | Brian Leetch | Bill Gadsby | Serge Savard | Valeri Vasiliev | Borje Salming | Mark Howe | Guy Lapointe | Rod Langway | Jack Stewart | Bill Quackenbush
Round 6 | Serge Savard | Lionel Conacher | Mark Howe | Guy Lapointe | Rod Langway | Jack Stewart | Bill Quackenbush | J.C. Tremblay | Jacques Laperriere | Butch Bouchard
Round 7 | Lionel Conacher | Guy Lapointe | Jack Stewart | J.C. Tremblay | Jacques Laperriere | Butch Bouchard | Scott Niedermayer | Marcel Pronovost | Ebbie Goodfellow | Larry Murphy
Round 8 | J.C. Tremblay | Jacques Laperriere | Larry Murphy | Ebbie Goodfellow | Carl Brewer | Tom Johnson | Moose Johnson | Ching Johnson | Jan Suchy | Zdeno Chara
Round 9 | Larry Murphy | Butch Bouchard | Ebbie Goodfellow | Carl Brewer | Sylvio Mantha | Tom Johnson | Moose Johnson | Rob Blake | Doug Wilson | Jan Suchy
Round 10 | Larry Murphy | Carl Brewer | Sylvio Mantha | Tom Johnson | Doug Wilson | Jan Suchy | Fern Flaman | Harry Howell | George Boucher | Allan Stanley
Round 11 | Vladimir Konstantinov | Sylvio Mantha | Tom Johnson | Doug Wilson | Fern Flaman | Harry Howell | Allan Stanley | Art Coulter | Lester Patrick | Alexander Ragulin
Round 12 | Vladimir Konstantinov | Sylvio Mantha | Harry Howell | Allan Stanley | Alexander Ragulin | Frantisek Pospisil | Bill White | Harvey Pulford | Vladimir Lutchenko | Babe Pratt

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[kmad]

I have to think Dit Clapper was just an oversight.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I would like to hear from Tony D about Robinson over Kelly , and especially Konstantinov over say , Chara.

 

[Hardyvan123]

I have to think Dit Clapper was just an oversight.

I remember some discussion about his time at RW and maybe that's part of it?

It would also explain Robinson over Kelly.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I remember some discussion about his time at RW and maybe that's part of it?

It would also explain Robinson over Kelly.

Even if you completely take out Kelly's time at center , he still has a superior resume than Robinson , and I'm a Big Bird fan.

 

[Hardyvan123]

Even if you completely take out Kelly's time at center , he still has a superior resume than Robinson , and I'm a Big Bird fan.

That might be debatable as I think Kelly's career was split 50/50 at center and D, so 10 years at D versus Robinson.... dunno who comes out on top I'm a huge career guy.

 

[BenchBrawl]

That might be debatable as I think Kelly's career was split 50/50 at center and D, so 10 years at D versus Robinson.... dunno who comes out on top I'm a huge career guy.

Kelly completely dominated the field except Doug Harvey , was a spectacular offensive defenseman while being well above average defensively , should have 4 norris and the more you look at year vs year , Kelly is closer to Potvin than he is to Robinson.He was simply a more dominant defenseman for long enough to beat Robinson's longevity.

 

[tony d]

Yeah, I left out Clapper because of his time at right wing.
With Konstantinov I looked at his career in Russia. The way Chara is playing though he could overtake a lot of defensemen before he retires.
I stick by my ranking of Robinson over Kelly, those 2 though are equal so you could have either at any spot as long as they're next to 1 another.

 

[vecens24]

Yeah, I left out Clapper because of his time at right wing.
With Konstantinov I looked at his career in Russia. The way Chara is playing though he could overtake a lot of defensemen before he retires.
I stick by my ranking of Robinson over Kelly, those 2 though are equal so you could have either at any spot as long as they're next to 1 another.

I figured the Clapper thing was because of his time at forward. I assume this is also the reason for Siebert?

 

[MXD]

TDDM and Overpass...

Does the example below means that

+ You don't mark up ties in " highest ranked player " (which totally makes sense)?

or

+ Somebody had Bourque 1st?

tony d

Rank | Player
Rank | Player
1 | Bobby Orr
2 | Ray Bourque
3 | Doug Harvey
4 | Eddie Shore
5 | Nicklas Lidstrom
6 | Denis Potvin
7 | Larry Robinson
8 | Red Kelly
9 | Slava Fetisov
10 | Chris Chelios
11 | Brad Park
12 | Paul Coffey
13 | Pierre Pilote
14 | Al MacInnis
15 | Scott Stevens
16 | King Clancy
17 | Earl Seibert
18 | Sprague Cleghorn
19 | Tim Horton
20 | Brian Leetch
21 | Bill Gadsby
22 | Chris Pronger
23 | Serge Savard
24 | Valeri Vasiliev
25 | Lionel Conacher
26 | Borje Salming
27 | Mark Howe
28 | Guy Lapointe
29 | Rod Langway
30 | Vladimir Konstantinov
31 | Jack Stewart
32 | Bill Quackenbush
33 | J.C. Tremblay
34 | Jacques Laperriere
35 | Larry Murphy
36 | Butch Bouchard
37 | Scott Niedermayer
38 | Marcel Pronovost
39 | Ebbie Goodfellow
40 | Carl Brewer
41 | Sylvio Mantha
42 | Tom Johnson
43 | Eddie Gerard
44 | Moose Johnson
45 | Ching Johnson
46 | Rob Blake
47 | Doug Wilson
48 | Jan Suchy
49 | Fern Flaman
50 | Zdeno Chara
51 | Alexei Kasatonov
52 | Harry Howell
53 | Hap Day
54 | George Boucher
55 | Allan Stanley
56 | Art Coulter
57 | Lester Patrick
58 | Alexander Ragulin
59 | Red Horner
60 | Brad McCrimmon
61 | Frantisek Pospisil
62 | Jimmy Thomson
63 | Bill White
64 | Harvey Pulford
65 | Doug Mohns
66 | Cy Wentworth
67 | Hod Stuart
68 | Gus Mortson
69 | Art Ross
70 | Si Griffis
71 | Lionel Hitchman
72 | Herb Gardiner
73 | Adam Foote
74 | Joe Hall
75 | Jean-Guy Talbot
76 | Leo Boivin
77 | Gary Suter
78 | Eric Desjardins
79 | Bob Baun
80 | Vladimir Lutchenko

Players from the Top 60 not to appear on this list
Dit Clapper
Babe Siebert
Ken Reardon
Harry Cameron

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Vladimir Konstantinov (30)
Red Horner (59)

 

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TDDM and Overpass...

Does the example below means that

+ You don't mark up ties in " highest ranked player " (which totally makes sense)?

or

+ Somebody had Bourque 1st?

We don't include ties. Nobody had Bourque first.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

We don't include ties. Nobody had Bourque first.

Yup. There was only one defenseman other than Orr who was listed first on a list, and it wasn't Bourque.

 

[MXD]

We don't include ties. Nobody had Bourque first.

Cool.

I mean...

Typing 20-something times that a user had Bobby Orr 1st overall (obviously, a tie) would be both annoying and somewhat pointless!

I guess that for spots past Top-20 or so, it could get relevant, though.

(I mean -- easy ranking I remember : I had Herb Gardiner at 50th. If somebody else had Gardiner at 50th, notifying the tie could make sense... But a tie at 2nd would be ... somewhat pointless).