HOH Top 60 Centers List & Voting Record - ted1971

TheDevilMadeMe

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Aug 28, 2006
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Round 1 List

Rank | name
1 | Wayne Gretzky
2 | Mario Lemieux
3 | Jean Beliveau
4 | Howie Morenz
5 | Stan Mikita
6 | Phil Esposito
7 | Frank Nighbor
8 | Bobby Clarke
9 | Bryan Trottier
10 | Mark Messier
11 | Milt Schmidt
12 | Bill Cowley
13 | Joe Sakic
14 | Nels Stewart
15 | Steve Yzerman
16 | Joe Malone
17 | Marcel Dionne
18 | Dave Keon
19 | Ted Kennedy
20 | Max Bentley
21 | Henri Richard
22 | Cyclone Taylor
23 | Ron Francis
24 | Newsy Lalonde
25 | Frank Boucher
26 | Alexander Maltsev
27 | Norm Ullman
28 | Jean Ratelle
29 | Gilbert Perreault
30 | Syl Apps, Sr
31 | Peter Stastny
32 | Alex Delvecchio
33 | Russell Bowie
34 | Elmer Lach
35 | Eric Lindros
36 | Peter Forsberg
37 | Sergei Fedorov
38 | Frank Fredrickson
39 | Adam Oates
40 | Vaclav Nedomansky
41 | Dale Hawerchuk
42 | Vladimir Petrov
43 | Darryl Sittler
44 | Doug Gilmour
45 | Pavel Datsyuk
46 | Joe Thornton
47 | Sidney Crosby
48 | Igor Larionov
49 | Rod BrindA'mour
50 | Milan Novy
51 | Denis Savard
52 | Hooley Smith
53 | Marty Berry
54 | Jacques Lemaire
55 | Sid Abel
56 | Mats Sundin
57 | Evgeni Malkin
58 | Joe Nieuwendyk
59 | Duke Keats
60 | Mike Modano
61 | Ebbie Goodfellow
62 | Pit Lepine
63 | Vladimir Starshinov
64 | Tommy Smith
65 | Dan Bain
66 | Billy Burch
67 | Pierre Turgeon
68 | Vincent Lecavalier
69 | Steven Stamkos
70 | Clint Smith
71 | Dick Irvin
72 | Pat Lafontaine
73 | Bernie Nicholls
74 | Tommy Dunderdale
75 | Joe Primeau
76 | Brad Richards
77 | Guy Carbonneau
78 | Henrik Zetterberg
79 | Neil Colville
80 | Butch Goring

Players from our final top 60 not ranked in this top 60
Henrik Zetterberg at 78
Neil Colville at 79
Mickey MacKay (not ranked)

Players unique to this list
Ebbie Goodfellow

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Milt Schmidt at 11 - next highest at 12
Bill Cowley at 12 - next highest at 24
Nels Stewart at 14 - next highest at 16
Dave Keon at 18 - next highest at 21
Jean Ratelle at 28 - next highest at 32
Darryl Sittler at 43 - next highest at 44
Rod Brind'amour at 49 - next highest at 57

Players ranked 2nd highest on this list
Ted Kennedy at 19 (tied with 1 other)
Max Bentley at 20 (tied with 1 other)
Ron Francis at 23 (tied with 1 other)
Frank Fredrickson at 38
Milan Novy at 50
Tommy Smith at 64

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Cyclone Taylor at 22 - next lowest at 18
Newsy Lalonde at 24 - next lowest at 20
Peter Forsberg at 36 - next lowest at 33
Mickey MacKay (1 of 2 not to rank him)

Players ranked 2nd lowest on this list
Steve Yzerman at 15 (tied with 1 other)
Frank Boucher at 25
Syl Apps at 30
Sidney Crosby at 47
Sid Abel at 55
Joe Primeau at 75

Round 2 Voting Record

Round|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|none
1|Gretzky|Lemieux|Beliveau|Morenz|Messier|Mikita|Esposito|Clarke|Trottier
2|Mikita|Clarke|Messier|Nighbor|Sakic|Lalonde|Esposito|Taylor|Trottier, Yzerman
3|Sakic|Esposito|Dionne|Taylor|Apps|Lalonde|Schmidt|Yzerman|Trottier
4|Apps|Yzerman|Dionne|Boucher|Schmidt|Richard|Forsberg|Lalonde|Malone
5|Richard|Dionne|Schmidt|Crosby|Forsberg|Kennedy|Malone|Fedorov|Bentley
6|Kennedy|Ullman|Crosby|Keon|Cowley|Malone|Stastny|Bentley|Abel, Fedorov, Lach, Stewart
7|Ullman|Cowley|Bentley|Francis|Lach|Keon|Stewart|Fedorov|Abel, Delvecchio, Stastny
8|Stewart|Lindros|Francis|Fedorov|Abel|Keon|Oates|Gilmour|Delvecchio, Perreault, Stastny
9|Malkin|Lindros|Maltsev|Thornton|Francis|Perreault|Gilmour|Stastny|Delvecchio, Hawerchuk, Oates
10|Lindros|Ratelle|Delvecchio|Malkin|Smith|Datsyuk|Perreault|Bowie|Hawerchuk, Larionov, Oates
11|Malkin|Perreault|Ratelle|Datsyuk|Smith|Petrov|MacKay|Hawerchuk|Bowie, Larionov, Modano, Savard
12|Ratelle|Barry|Savard|Hawerchuk|Primeau|Modano|MacKay|Sittler|Fredrickson, Larionov, Petrov, Sundin
13|MacKay|Nedomansky|Savard|Petrov|Lemaire|Primeau|Larionov|Sittler|Fredrickson, Keats, Lafontaine, Sundin, Zetterberg
14|Nedomansky|Lemaire|Fredrickson|Foyston|Primeau|McGee|Zetterberg|Keats|Dunderdale, Lafontaine, Morris, Sittler, Sedin, Sundin
15|Keats|Lemaire|Colville|Turgeon|Nieuwendyk|Primeau|Dunderdale|Foyston|Brind'amour, Carbonneau, Federko, Lafontaine, McGee, Morris, Novy, Roenick, Sedin, Starshinov, Stamkos
16|Colville|Foyston|Roenick|Primeau|Sedin|Lafontaine

Highest
Round 3: Dionne 3rd
Round 12: Primeau 5th
Round 13: MacKay 1st

Lowest
Round 2: Trottier NR
Round 3: Yzerman 8th, Trottier NR
Round 4: Lalonde 8th
Round 10: Oates NR
Round 14: Sundin NR
 

MXD

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Oct 27, 2005
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How could we have missed Goodfellow...?!?!?

Oh well, all in all, it was a pretty good list. Small era biases kept to a very healthy level.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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Bill Cowley at 12..... a little high.

Jean Ratelle at 28, also a wee bit high.

Esposito 6th, but in round 2, vote 2 voted 7th. Had you not realized I was the voice of reason yet?

MacKay not ranked, but in round 13 you are his only first place vote. Good to see a voter who can change his mind (just not on Espo).
 

TheDevilMadeMe

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Lots of "high" and "low" votes in round trip 1, but only by a few places each time, so none really stand out

This is what stands out - the two last place votes for Trottier in round 2 of voting - what made you lower your opinion of him?
 

TheDevilMadeMe

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How could we have missed Goodfellow...?!?!?

Oh well, all in all, it was a pretty good list. Small era biases kept to a very healthy level.

This is one of the first lists that we received and I don't think we had yet established that we were flagging all the ineligible players if the list was otherwise fine.

I could have gone back and asked him about it on my own initiative, but I didn't really see the point, considering it would make no impact on the final list, and the screening process had already become really labor intensive for me, because of all the players flagged for possible positional confusion on the various lists.
 

MXD

Original #4
Oct 27, 2005
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This is one of the first lists that we received and I don't think we had yet established that we were flagging all the ineligible players if the list was otherwise fine.

I could have gone back and asked him about it on my own initiative, but I didn't really see the point, considering it would make no impact on the final list, and the screening process had already become really labor intensive for me, because of all the players flagged for possible positional confusion on the various lists.

This I attest.

I say that, because I wanted to bring a change to my own list soon afterwards (for what was ultimately a clerical error), but realized it wouldn't change a thing in the grand scheme of things.

The worst thing is -- I'll certainly be questioned about it.
 

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