HOH Top 60 Centers List & Voting Record - seventieslord

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Round 1 List

Rank | name
1 | Wayne Gretzky
2 | Mario Lemieux
3 | Jean Beliveau
4 | Stan Mikita
5 | Howie Morenz
6 | Mark Messier
7 | Bobby Clarke
8 | Bryan Trottier
9 | Frank Nighbor
10 | Cyclone Taylor
11 | Joe Sakic
12 | Phil Esposito
13 | Newsy Lalonde
14 | Steve Yzerman
15 | Marcel Dionne
16 | Henri Richard
17 | Milt Schmidt
18 | Norm Ullman
19 | Frank Boucher
20 | Peter Forsberg
21 | Sidney Crosby
22 | Doug Gilmour
23 | Sergei Fedorov
24 | Syl Apps, Sr
25 | Hooley Smith
26 | Elmer Lach
27 | Dave Keon
28 | Ted Kennedy
29 | Sid Abel
30 | Eric Lindros
31 | Joe Malone
32 | Pavel Datsyuk
33 | Bill Cowley
34 | Mike Modano
35 | Russell Bowie
36 | Max Bentley
37 | Ron Francis
38 | Alex Delvecchio
39 | Igor Larionov
40 | Joe Thornton
41 | Jean Ratelle
42 | Nels Stewart
43 | Dale Hawerchuk
44 | Henrik Zetterberg
45 | Adam Oates
46 | Alexander Maltsev
47 | Marty Barry
48 | Evgeni Malkin
49 | Peter Stastny
50 | Vladimir Petrov
51 | Mickey MacKay
52 | Mats Sundin
53 | Gilbert Perreault
54 | Frank Fredrickson
55 | Darryl Sittler
56 | Denis Savard
57 | Pierre Turgeon
58 | Frank Foyston
59 | Vaclav Nedomansky
60 | Phil Watson
61 | Pat Lafontaine
62 | Milan Novy
63 | Duke Keats
64 | Viacheslav Starshinov
65 | Rod Brind'Amour
66 | Jeremy Roenick
67 | Joe Primeau
68 | Bernie Morris
69 | Neil Colville
70 | Bernie Federko
71 | Henrik Sedin
72 | Tommy Dunderdale
73 | Marty Walsh
74 | Joe Nieuwendyk
75 | Guy Carbonneau
76 | Tommy Smith
77 | Jack Adams
78 | Bernie Nicholls
79 | Jacques Lemaire
80 | Dan Bain

Players from our final top 60 not ranked in this top 60
Duke Keats at 63
Neil Colville at 69
Jacques Lemaire at 79

Players unique to this list
NONE

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Norm Ullman at 18 - next highest at 23
Mike Modano at 34 - next highest at 38
Henrik Zetterberg at 44 - next highest at 45
Pierre Turgeon at 57 - next highest at 58
Phil Watson at 60 - next highest at 65

Players ranked 2nd highest on this list
Doug Gilmour at 22
Hooley Smith at 25
Pavel Datsyuk at 32 (tied with 1 other)
Marty Walsh at 73

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Adam Oates at 45 - next lowest at 44
Gilbert Perreault at 53 - next lowest at 51
Jacques Lemaire at 79 - next lowest at 74

Players ranked 2nd lowest on this list
Joe Malone at 31

Round 2 Voting

Round|1st|2nd|3rd|4th|5th|6th|7th|8th|none
1|Gretzky|Lemieux|Beliveau|Mikita|Morenz|Messier|Clarke|Trottier|Esposito
2|Mikita|Messier|Nighbor|Sakic|Clarke|Trottier|Taylor|Yzerman|Esposito, Lalonde
3|Sakic|Taylor|Trottier|Esposito|Yzerman|Lalonde|Schmidt|Dionne|Apps
4|Yzerman|Lalonde|Boucher|Richard|Dionne|Forsberg|Apps|Schmidt|Malone
5|||||||||
6|Ullman|Crosby|Kennedy|Fedorov|Cowley|Keon|Lach|Malone|Abel, Bentley, Stastny, Stewart
7|Ullman|Bentley|Lach|Cowley|Abel|Keon|Fedorov|Stewart|Delvecchio, Francis, Stastny
8|Gilmour|Stewart|Fedorov|Abel|Keon|Delvecchio|Lindros|Francis|Oates, Perreault, Stastny
9|Gilmour|Thornton|Delvecchio|Lindros|Maltsev|Francis|Oates|Stastny|Hawerchuk, Malkin, Perreault
10|Delvecchio|Bowie|Smith|Lindros|Ratelle|Datsyuk|Oates|Malkin|Hawerchuk, Larionov, Perreault
11|Bowie|Smith|Datsyuk|Modano|Ratelle|Malkin|Petrov|MacKay|Hawerchuk, Larionov, Perreault, Savard
12|Ratelle|Modano|Barry|Petrov|MacKay|Larionov|Hawerchuk|Sundin|Fredrickson, Primeau, Savard, Sittler
13|Zetterberg|Petrov|MacKay|Larionov|Sundin|Sittler|Fredrickson|Keats|Lafontaine, Lemaire, Nedomansky, Primeau, Savard
14|Zetterberg|Sundin|Sittler|Foyston|Fredrickson|Keats|Nedomansky|Morris|Dunderdale, Lafontaine, Lemaire, McGee, Primeau, Sedin
15|Foyston|Turgeon|Roenick|Lemaire|Morris|Keats|Brind'amour|Colville|Carbonneau, Dunderdale, Federko, Lafontaine, McGee, Nieuwendyk, Novy, Primeau, Sedin, Starshinov, Stamkos
16|Foyston|Roenick|Colville|Primeau|Lafontaine|Sedin

Highest

Round 8: Gilmour 1st
Round 15: Foyston 1st, Turgeon 2nd

Lowest

Round 11: Perreault NR
Round 13: Savard NR

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[TheDevilMadeMe]

Apparently a big fan of two-way centers, especially modern ones. And Pierre Turgeon.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Pat Lafontaine 61st. The conspiracy continues.

Is Crosby really that much better than Malkin?

 

[DisgruntledGoat*]

If Mikita doesn't show up on his 'highest ranked' lists, does that mean at least two voters had him third or higher? Am I reading that correctly?

Solid list, though. Finally, someone has Gilmour over Fedorov as it should be.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

If Mikita doesn't show up on his 'highest ranked' lists, does that mean at least two voters had him third or higher? Am I reading that correctly?

Solid list, though. Finally, someone has Gilmour over Fedorov as it should be.

9 voters had Mikita 4th, 9 had him 5th.

1 voter had him 3rd; 4 had him lower than 5th.

 

[DisgruntledGoat*]

9 voters had Mikita 4th, 9 had him 5th.

1 voter had him 3rd; 4 had him lower than 5th.

Oh, of course. Should have thought of that possiblity.

 

[seventieslord]

Apparently a big fan of two-way centers, especially modern ones. And Pierre Turgeon.

Yes, I am a big fan of two-way centers. I think way too many people play the "better offensively, therefore better" card* with far too many centers and I simply stand out as being one who refuses to do that. (see: Malkin v Datsyuk)

As far as one-dimensional centers go, in the absence of other glaring factors it's not that hard to simply rank them in order of offensive dominance, hence someone like Pierre Turgeon being 57th, just barely below Perreault and Savard, and ahead of Lafontaine.

* except when talking about Pierre Turgeon, obviously!

 

[Killion]

Id be moving Keon & Kennedy up about 20-23 spaces but beyond that, looks good.

 

[seventieslord]

Id be moving Keon & Kennedy up about 20-23 spaces but beyond that, looks good.

you mean to like 5th-10th?

 

[Killion]

you mean to like 5th-10th?

Heck no. 4th & 5th. Keon, then Kennedy, then Mikita.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Heck no. 4th & 5th. Keon, then Kennedy, then Mikita.

That would be a cool list to peruse.