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Screening Process
Project administrators sent all Top 60 lists for Round 1 of the project to a group of screeners for approval. The purpose of the screening process was to screen out lists that demonstrated insufficient knowledge or care, or that didn't match the intent of the project according to the consensus of participants.
We had three screeners. Two were non-participants - longtime HOH poster overpass who was a co-administer for the HOH defensemen project, and longtime HOH poster EagleBelfour who was a screener for the HOH defenseman project. One was a project participants - reckoning, who was also a screener for the HOH defenseman project.
The screeners did not know the identity of the list submitter. Their verdict was given solely on the contents of the list. Project administrators TheDevilMadeMe and seventieslord knew the identity of the submitters of the lists, and for that reason did not participate in the screening process.
In the end, screeners accepted one list by a vote of 2-1, rejected one list by a vote of 2-1, and accepted all the other lists unanimously.
Screening Criteria
Screeners were given the first 12 submitted lists to look at, so they could compare them to each other. They were then given groups of more lists as they were sent in.
Screeners used the HOH Top 100 Players list created in 2008 as a guide. Any lists that did not contain all goalies from this list were to be flagged and sent back to be reworked. While players from this list did not have to be included in the final list, we wanted to make sure it was for a good reason. This did not become an issue, as all submitted lists contained all goalies from the 2008 list.
Screeners were to reject lists that, in their opinion, showed a lack of care. They could use the 2008 top Players list as a reference, but weren't limited to it. One list was rejected for this reason.
Screeners were to reject lists that, in their opinion, were heavily slanted toward or against certain eras or that failed to consider the full scope of hockey history. No lists were rejected for this reason.
Screeners rejected this list for showing an apparently lack of care. Both screeners who rejected the list pointed to the inclusions of Dunc Munro and Steve Thomas, neither one a goaltender. Steve Thomas could have been intended to be Tim Thomas, but nobody knew what to do with Dunc Munro.
Screeners also pointed to the lack of Hugh Lehman, Hap Holmes, Tom Barrasso, and Tim Thomas - this was the only list of the first 12 to exclude any of them (though later we included a list that excluded only Barrasso). One comment: "There might be a Western league blind spot with the omission of Lehman and Holmes. And with the lack of care previously demonstrated, any of Lehman, Holmes and Barrasso may simply have been overlooked."
One screener was confused by the apparent inconsistency at the top - " I don't think I ever saw Patrick Roy that low on a list, and Charlie Gardiner that high! It's hard to put Martin Brodeur that low at #13. If that person put that much emphasis on regular season, Turk Broda should go lower for sure," but agreed that the big issues were the inclusion of non-goalies and the exclusion of goalies that were on everyone else's lists.
One screener said that he didn't think the list maker took the process seriously. The other screener who voted to reject recommended that if we give the list maker a second chance, we should just mention the lack of early goalies from the Western leagues and say that there were a couple of non-goalies on the list, rather than get into specifics.
We initially followed the advice of the second screener, but ended up changing our minds and giving the list maker the specifics he asked for (as to the non-goalies on his list and the omitted names).
Project administrators sent all Top 60 lists for Round 1 of the project to a group of screeners for approval. The purpose of the screening process was to screen out lists that demonstrated insufficient knowledge or care, or that didn't match the intent of the project according to the consensus of participants.
We had three screeners. Two were non-participants - longtime HOH poster overpass who was a co-administer for the HOH defensemen project, and longtime HOH poster EagleBelfour who was a screener for the HOH defenseman project. One was a project participants - reckoning, who was also a screener for the HOH defenseman project.
The screeners did not know the identity of the list submitter. Their verdict was given solely on the contents of the list. Project administrators TheDevilMadeMe and seventieslord knew the identity of the submitters of the lists, and for that reason did not participate in the screening process.
In the end, screeners accepted one list by a vote of 2-1, rejected one list by a vote of 2-1, and accepted all the other lists unanimously.
Screening Criteria
Screeners were given the first 12 submitted lists to look at, so they could compare them to each other. They were then given groups of more lists as they were sent in.
Screeners used the HOH Top 100 Players list created in 2008 as a guide. Any lists that did not contain all goalies from this list were to be flagged and sent back to be reworked. While players from this list did not have to be included in the final list, we wanted to make sure it was for a good reason. This did not become an issue, as all submitted lists contained all goalies from the 2008 list.
Screeners were to reject lists that, in their opinion, showed a lack of care. They could use the 2008 top Players list as a reference, but weren't limited to it. One list was rejected for this reason.
Screeners were to reject lists that, in their opinion, were heavily slanted toward or against certain eras or that failed to consider the full scope of hockey history. No lists were rejected for this reason.
Rejected List
Rank
|
Player
1|Glenn Hall
2|Dominic Hasek
3|Jacques Plante
4|Terry Sawchuk
5|Patrick Roy
6|Charlie Gardiner
7|Ken Dryden
8|Frank Brimsek
9|Turk Broda
10|Bill Durnan
11|Johnny Bower
12|Bernie Parent
13|Martin Brodeur
14|Vladislav Tretiak
15|Clint Benedict
16|Eddie Belfour
17|Jiri Holechek
18|Tiny Thompson
19|Tony Esposito
20|Georges Vezina
21|Harry Lumley
22|Roy Worters
23|Gump Worseley
24|George Hainsworth
25|Alec Connell
26|Gerry Cheevers
27|Eddie Giacomin
28|Chuck Rayner
29|Roggie Vachon
30|Curtis Joseph
31|Steve Thomas
32|Roger Crozier
33|Lorne Chabot
34|Dave Kerr
35|John Vanbiesbrook
36|Al Rollins
37|Ron Hextall
38|Henrik Lundgvist
39|Mike Liut
40|Billy Smith
41|Percy LeSueur
42|Dunc Munro
43|Vladimir Dzurilla
44|Mikka Kiprusoff
45|Bill Randford
46|Normie Smith
47|Grant Fuhr
48|Mike Richter
49|johnny Mowers
50|Paddy Moran
51|Chris Osgoode
52|John Roach
53|Riley Hern
54|Mike Karakas
55|Andy Moog
56|Gerry McNeil
57|Jim Henry
58|Olaf Kolzig
59|Kelly Hrudey
60|Nikolai Khabibulin
1|Glenn Hall
2|Dominic Hasek
3|Jacques Plante
4|Terry Sawchuk
5|Patrick Roy
6|Charlie Gardiner
7|Ken Dryden
8|Frank Brimsek
9|Turk Broda
10|Bill Durnan
11|Johnny Bower
12|Bernie Parent
13|Martin Brodeur
14|Vladislav Tretiak
15|Clint Benedict
16|Eddie Belfour
17|Jiri Holechek
18|Tiny Thompson
19|Tony Esposito
20|Georges Vezina
21|Harry Lumley
22|Roy Worters
23|Gump Worseley
24|George Hainsworth
25|Alec Connell
26|Gerry Cheevers
27|Eddie Giacomin
28|Chuck Rayner
29|Roggie Vachon
30|Curtis Joseph
31|Steve Thomas
32|Roger Crozier
33|Lorne Chabot
34|Dave Kerr
35|John Vanbiesbrook
36|Al Rollins
37|Ron Hextall
38|Henrik Lundgvist
39|Mike Liut
40|Billy Smith
41|Percy LeSueur
42|Dunc Munro
43|Vladimir Dzurilla
44|Mikka Kiprusoff
45|Bill Randford
46|Normie Smith
47|Grant Fuhr
48|Mike Richter
49|johnny Mowers
50|Paddy Moran
51|Chris Osgoode
52|John Roach
53|Riley Hern
54|Mike Karakas
55|Andy Moog
56|Gerry McNeil
57|Jim Henry
58|Olaf Kolzig
59|Kelly Hrudey
60|Nikolai Khabibulin
Screeners rejected this list for showing an apparently lack of care. Both screeners who rejected the list pointed to the inclusions of Dunc Munro and Steve Thomas, neither one a goaltender. Steve Thomas could have been intended to be Tim Thomas, but nobody knew what to do with Dunc Munro.
Screeners also pointed to the lack of Hugh Lehman, Hap Holmes, Tom Barrasso, and Tim Thomas - this was the only list of the first 12 to exclude any of them (though later we included a list that excluded only Barrasso). One comment: "There might be a Western league blind spot with the omission of Lehman and Holmes. And with the lack of care previously demonstrated, any of Lehman, Holmes and Barrasso may simply have been overlooked."
One screener was confused by the apparent inconsistency at the top - " I don't think I ever saw Patrick Roy that low on a list, and Charlie Gardiner that high! It's hard to put Martin Brodeur that low at #13. If that person put that much emphasis on regular season, Turk Broda should go lower for sure," but agreed that the big issues were the inclusion of non-goalies and the exclusion of goalies that were on everyone else's lists.
One screener said that he didn't think the list maker took the process seriously. The other screener who voted to reject recommended that if we give the list maker a second chance, we should just mention the lack of early goalies from the Western leagues and say that there were a couple of non-goalies on the list, rather than get into specifics.
We initially followed the advice of the second screener, but ended up changing our minds and giving the list maker the specifics he asked for (as to the non-goalies on his list and the omitted names).
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