HF "Current" p4p #2

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1. Demetrious Johnson

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[Neutrinos]

Once again, it's absolutely ridiculous to have women on the same P4P list as men

A vote for Cris Cyborg means you think she would beat the likes of Max Holloway, Jose Aldo and Frankie Edgar


I suggest starting a 3rd thread

 

[LSCII]

Voted McGregor, but had to give serious consideration to JJ at this spot, since the poll isn't broken down by male/female.

 

[KapG]

Connor

 

[jw2]

Sorry, if you lose to Nate Diaz, and have 1 win in 2 years, I can't pick you.

Jon jones has more title fights and wins during Conor's "reign".

 

[LSCII]

Sorry, if you lose to Nate Diaz, and have 1 win in 2 years, I can't pick you.

Jon jones has more title fights and wins during Conor's "reign".

And Jones also has more positive USADA tests too...

 

[Neutrinos]

To cast a vote for Joanna Jedrzejczyk, you are saying she would beat every male fighter in the poll if you scaled them to be in the same weight class

 

[kurt]

Once again, it's absolutely ridiculous to have women on the same P4P list as men

A vote for Cris Cyborg means you think she would beat the likes of Max Holloway, Jose Aldo and Frankie Edgar


I suggest starting a 3rd thread

what

 

[jw2]

And Jones also has more positive USADA tests too...

get Conor something other than coke so he can get back in there and fight someone.

 

[jw2]

what

I think this discussion about Ronda derailed these polls a few years ago. some people just cant get past women being successful when compared to male counterparts.

 

[Moncherry]

1. Demetrious Johnson

You keep adding fighters that have no business being in this discussion. Edgar, Dillashaw and Thompson do not deserve to be on this list, especially over some of the fighters you're leaving off.

 

[MD thaivuN]

For me Edgar is exactly what represents a real p4p great in term of achievement. Proven Elite fighter at two division (former champion at one). If we're talking about who's the best in effective skills, it's a different discussion.

 

[ck26]

To cast a vote for Joanna Jedrzejczyk, you are saying she would beat every male fighter in the poll if you scaled them all down to 115 lbs

I don't see how giving Joanna a Y chromosome with which to fight Woodley is any more absurd than doubling DJ's size so that he can fight Cain. "Pound-for-pound" = look at their skills and ignore the biological facts.

Voted Joanna Violence ... Cormier and Connor in some order are up next for me. I want to put Stipe here for actually defending the HW belt, but I can't get over the feeling that Cain would kick his ass if he could ever stay healthy.

 

[Neutrinos]

From Brett Okamoto's MMA chat over at ESPN


Question:
Not feeling this Brett: I rank her in a women's P4P list. I don't know why the two would be combined. The idea of not having her number one right now on any list is foolish! The whole p4p is a hypothetical. If it was real Cain destroys the field.
Brett Okamoto (1:55 PM)


Brett's answer:
This conversation really doesn't matter because at the end of the day, it all comes down to how you view a P4P. Yes, it's hypothetical, but I've heard some people say, 'well, you base it off how dominant a fighter is in his/her weight class.' To me, that doesn't make sense. Because then a fighter in a crap weight class benefits more than a fighter who is taking on elite talent in every fight. To me, P4P is P4P. If you rank the women and men together, and you rank Ronda No. 1 as you say you would, you are saying that Ronda, at 135 pounds, would beat TJ Dillashaw. She would also beat Dominick Cruz, Urijah Faber, Renan Barao, etc. etc. I don't believe that. I believe men and women are scientifically, physically different and I don't understand why I would rank them on the same P4P list regarding cage fighting. It seems stupid to me. Again though, none of that matters because no one knows for sure what the official parameters of a P4P list are. It's a never-ending debate. That's my take though.

 

[Neutrinos]

Pound for pound

It's the same as saying "Pound = Pound"

If all fighters were the same weight, which one would be the betting favorite?

 

[LSCII]

From Brett Okamoto's MMA chat over at ESPN


Question:
Not feeling this Brett: I rank her in a women's P4P list. I don't know why the two would be combined. The idea of not having her number one right now on any list is foolish! The whole p4p is a hypothetical. If it was real Cain destroys the field.
Brett Okamoto (1:55 PM)


Brett's answer:
This conversation really doesn't matter because at the end of the day, it all comes down to how you view a P4P. Yes, it's hypothetical, but I've heard some people say, 'well, you base it off how dominant a fighter is in his/her weight class.' To me, that doesn't make sense. Because then a fighter in a crap weight class benefits more than a fighter who is taking on elite talent in every fight. To me, P4P is P4P. If you rank the women and men together, and you rank Ronda No. 1 as you say you would, you are saying that Ronda, at 135 pounds, would beat TJ Dillashaw. She would also beat Dominick Cruz, Urijah Faber, Renan Barao, etc. etc. I don't believe that. I believe men and women are scientifically, physically different and I don't understand why I would rank them on the same P4P list regarding cage fighting. It seems stupid to me. Again though, none of that matters because no one knows for sure what the official parameters of a P4P list are. It's a never-ending debate. That's my take though.

The real question is why are you so worked up over how people view a hypothetical debate/discussion?

 

[ck26]

Pound for pound

It's the same as saying "Pound = Pound"

I disagree with Brett Okamoto and will give a sarcastic answer because there's no reason to argue it

If all fighters were the same weight, which one would be the betting favorite?

Joanna, depending on how they got to that weight

Make Connor McGregor dehydrate to 115 and Joanna kicks his ass the next day.

Cormier is 5'11 205 ... scale him down to 115 and he'll probably be around 3'8" and Joanna will jab him to death.

Cut Cain Velasquez's legs off and Joanna kicks his ass too.

 

[kurt]

My current P4P list is basically tiers:

1) Jones
2) DJ/JJ/Cormier (if Jones suddenly doesn't exist)
3) Cyborg (only fault is lack of competition really)
4) Conor/Nunes/Stipe
5) Woodley/Garbrandt
5) Bisping

 

[Gains]

For me it's

Cormier
Woodley

McGregor
Miocic

Holloway
Garbrandt
Bisping

(Females are in a different, don't see how I can rank them in the same list).

I would have voted for Cormier as the #1 easily. Think about it, if Jones never enters the UFC we're probably looking at a Cormier as the greatest UFC fighter ever. I know it's tough to just forget his 2 fights vs Jones, but Jones was on gear so you can't count them.

 

[LSCII]

Does style factor into anyone's choices at all? I ask because while I think Woodley is a very talented fighter, but I can't stand watching him because he's boring. It makes me grade him lower because of that alone in a poll like this.

On the flip side, DJ is just incredible to watch, despite the lack of great competition. What he did to Reis last fight was nothing short of amazing. He checked everything that Reis threw at him, and ended submitting the submission specialist. That was a truly impressive win, even if he was expected to win.

 

[MD thaivuN]

Pound for pound

It's the same as saying "Pound = Pound"

If all fighters were the same weight, which one would be the betting favorite?

well you know it would be Conor McGregor bettors love dem McGregor bets

 

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You keep adding fighters that have no business being in this discussion. Edgar, Dillashaw and Thompson do not deserve to be on this list, especially over some of the fighters you're leaving off.

Then list them. Simple as that.

 

[kurt]

For me it's

Cormier
Woodley

McGregor
Miocic

Holloway
Garbrandt
Bisping

(Females are in a different, don't see how I can rank them in the same list).

I would have voted for Cormier as the #1 easily. Think about it, if Jones never enters the UFC we're probably looking at a Cormier as the greatest UFC fighter ever. I know it's tough to just forget his 2 fights vs Jones, but Jones was on gear so you can't count them.

Where is DJ?

 

[Gains]

Where is DJ?

He already won the first poll so I didn't include him at all, but I'd have him 3rd probably.

 

[Asiantuntija]

McGregor can't be p4p #2 without title defenses.