Big Phil
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Here's another list of guys who are either destined for the Hall of Fame or are in it already but debatable. Who should be in or out.
Bob Gainey - Five time Cup champion, twice played on Team Canada, 4 time Selke trophy winner, in fact he was the reason the Selke Trophy started.
Verdict: Its funny how a forward who never got more than 23 goals or 47 points in a season is a shoo-in IMO for the Hall. Throw in the five Cups, the Conn Smythe Trophy in '79 and the fact that they awarded a trophy because of him is a real indication of how good Gainey was. He was deemed by Soviet assistant coach Igor Dmitriev (I believe) in '79 as the greatest player in the world. He is by far the best defensive forward of all time. To me theres no argument that he's in the Hall and I've never heard otherwise but does anyone disagree?
Theo Fleury - Point seasons were 104, 100, 96, 93, 85. Pretty good totals. Once over 50 goals, good playoff numbers, one Cup. Always a fixture on Team Canada for more than a decade. Second team all-star in '95, 455 goals 1088 career points.
Verdict: This one will be a tough one no matter how you spin it. In his prime Theo was a fan favourite, a sniper, always one of the top right wingers and a fierce competitor. He put up good numbers in his career. Barely over a point per game. Led the league in plus minus in '91. But is his on ice play good enough to forget his off ice stuff. Hey if Cam Neely "sentimentally" gets in the Hall why cant Fleury at least have a look?
Rick Middleton - "Nifty" Middleton. 448 goals, 988 points just shy of a point per game. For six straight years these were his point totals: 86, 92, 103, 94, 96, 105. That's a pretty good prime. Second team all-star in '82, no Cups but played in three Cup finals and averaged almost a point a game in playoffs. Had 33 points in '83 playoffs. Played for Canada twice in '81 CC and '84 CC.
Verdict: He's a tough one for me. The knock against him is that he never won a cup or led the league in anything. He had 40 or more goals five times, and he seemed to be able to score timely goals as well. That said was he "great?" Or just very good on a good Bruins team? He's a hard one to judge.
Dave Taylor - No Cups, one Cup final appearance. On the highest scoring line in NHL history at the time. Had point totals: 112, 106, 92, 91, 90. Second team all-star in '81.
Verdict: his name has come up before. I'm afraid he was just not close enough to get there. Obviously Dionne helped him out but how wouldnt he? SO you cant hold that against him. He had some high point seasons but had a poor playoff record. Had that line stayed together longer up until the late 80s then he'd be a shoo-in but it didnt and he looked more mortal after he split ways with Dionne and Simmer. He wouldnt quite get my vote, but that's just me.
Pat Lafontaine - We all know he's already in there. But there have been grumblings about his name. his point totals are: 148, 105, 93, 92, 91. Pretty impressive. Second team all-star in '93. 1013 career points in 865 games. now that's good. No Cups, one final appearance.
Verdict: People forget that for a brief period, Lafontaine was the best player in the world behind #99 and #66. This was form about '89-93. His prime was sickening. And his playoff numbers werent bad either. Sure his big season in '93 might have catapulted him into the Hall but look at that season! He's a HOFer in my books. And he was once considered to be a top 10 even top 5 player in the NHL.
Bob Gainey - Five time Cup champion, twice played on Team Canada, 4 time Selke trophy winner, in fact he was the reason the Selke Trophy started.
Verdict: Its funny how a forward who never got more than 23 goals or 47 points in a season is a shoo-in IMO for the Hall. Throw in the five Cups, the Conn Smythe Trophy in '79 and the fact that they awarded a trophy because of him is a real indication of how good Gainey was. He was deemed by Soviet assistant coach Igor Dmitriev (I believe) in '79 as the greatest player in the world. He is by far the best defensive forward of all time. To me theres no argument that he's in the Hall and I've never heard otherwise but does anyone disagree?
Theo Fleury - Point seasons were 104, 100, 96, 93, 85. Pretty good totals. Once over 50 goals, good playoff numbers, one Cup. Always a fixture on Team Canada for more than a decade. Second team all-star in '95, 455 goals 1088 career points.
Verdict: This one will be a tough one no matter how you spin it. In his prime Theo was a fan favourite, a sniper, always one of the top right wingers and a fierce competitor. He put up good numbers in his career. Barely over a point per game. Led the league in plus minus in '91. But is his on ice play good enough to forget his off ice stuff. Hey if Cam Neely "sentimentally" gets in the Hall why cant Fleury at least have a look?
Rick Middleton - "Nifty" Middleton. 448 goals, 988 points just shy of a point per game. For six straight years these were his point totals: 86, 92, 103, 94, 96, 105. That's a pretty good prime. Second team all-star in '82, no Cups but played in three Cup finals and averaged almost a point a game in playoffs. Had 33 points in '83 playoffs. Played for Canada twice in '81 CC and '84 CC.
Verdict: He's a tough one for me. The knock against him is that he never won a cup or led the league in anything. He had 40 or more goals five times, and he seemed to be able to score timely goals as well. That said was he "great?" Or just very good on a good Bruins team? He's a hard one to judge.
Dave Taylor - No Cups, one Cup final appearance. On the highest scoring line in NHL history at the time. Had point totals: 112, 106, 92, 91, 90. Second team all-star in '81.
Verdict: his name has come up before. I'm afraid he was just not close enough to get there. Obviously Dionne helped him out but how wouldnt he? SO you cant hold that against him. He had some high point seasons but had a poor playoff record. Had that line stayed together longer up until the late 80s then he'd be a shoo-in but it didnt and he looked more mortal after he split ways with Dionne and Simmer. He wouldnt quite get my vote, but that's just me.
Pat Lafontaine - We all know he's already in there. But there have been grumblings about his name. his point totals are: 148, 105, 93, 92, 91. Pretty impressive. Second team all-star in '93. 1013 career points in 865 games. now that's good. No Cups, one final appearance.
Verdict: People forget that for a brief period, Lafontaine was the best player in the world behind #99 and #66. This was form about '89-93. His prime was sickening. And his playoff numbers werent bad either. Sure his big season in '93 might have catapulted him into the Hall but look at that season! He's a HOFer in my books. And he was once considered to be a top 10 even top 5 player in the NHL.