Okay here's another crop of guys who are always debatable as to whether they shoul or should not be in the Hall of Fame. And please people no homers. Dont say a guy should be in just because "Clark Gilles" is in. Two wrongs dont make a right you know. Curtis Joseph - He'll have over 400 wins by the time his career is over. No Cups, never played in a Cup final game, and was never a post season all-star. No Vezina Trophies either, although he was arguably right up there for a couple of seasons. Verdict: To me Joseph is not a Hall of Famer. Yes he's won a lot of games in his career but he was never on a bad team either. I'll admit he was the greatest playoff goalie of all time - in the first round! But after that he choked. He never had that champion edge to him. No awards hurt him a bit too. Plus the only goalie who I can think of that is in the Hall with no Cups is Eddie Giacomin. And he was a Vezina Trophy winner so no argument there. Joseph just didnt do enough for me, I just dont see great when I mention his name. Rick Martin - Four time all-star ('74, '75) and second team ('76, '77). It may also surprise people that he has a better GPG and PPG than Neely. Played in one Cup final in '75, had a shortened career and was on team Canada '76 and '72 (although he didnt play in '72). Verdict: Martin was a sniper from the day he was born. And all he ever did was score. Two-time fifty goal scorer three other times 44 or more. He was the gunner on the famed French Connection line. And it may surprise people but he is always on my list when I mention best players not in the Hall. But is he considered great? I think people forget about him because there isnt a lot of outcry about him not being in. He may of had too short of a career. But was he good enough in that time? I dont know. Rogie Vachon - Three time Cup winner, twice a second team all-star ('75, '77) very good in the '76 Canada Cup. He played on some pretty bad Kings teams yet still had very impressive stats. Was 2nd in MVP voting in '75. Has 355 wins. Verdict: I make it no secret that Rogie Vachon is to me considered to be the best player not in the Hall along with Sergei Makarov. He won three Cups and yes in '71 Dryden was in net but still in three straight years he played in the Cup final, losing only in '67. Take away Parent and Dryden and was there a better goalie in the 70s? I know there arent any goalies in the Hall that anyone debates (a standard they have kept pretty good) but Vachon was great IMO. Vincent Damphousee - One Cup, multiple 90 point seasons but no 100 point seasons. No post season all-star selections, yet he was pretty much a consistent point procuder througout his career. Verdict: This will be quick. I like Vinnie, but he has never performed anywhere near the same level as even Modano. Damphousse was never considered not once in his career to be one of the top ten players in the league. A good solid career, but he doenst do anything for me that jumps out at me. He played for Canada once in the WOrld Cup in '96 and actually did pretty good despite Richter stoning him repeatedly. No HOFer. Steve Shutt - Five time Cup winner. Three time post season all-star ('77 '78, '80). Over 100 points once, score 60, 49, 47, 45 goals in his top four seasons. Played in 1976 Canada Cup. Verdict: I've heard grumblings before about Shutt so I know there are some out there who dont like him. But regardless of the fact that he played with Lafleur he still put up some very good numbers. 60 goals is great no matter who is on your line. Shutt unfortunately never had the oppurtunity to play without Lafleur so we dont know how he would have fared. But he was still a key contributor to Montreal's four straight Cups and he had more than one big season so his prime lasted a few years. You think sniper when you hear his name and that's what he was, he formed a tandem with Lafleur that was basically unstoppable. He also led the league in goals in '77 so he at least led the league in something in his career. Was he ever a top ten player in the game? Yes. And that counts as well. he's a HOFer in my books.