Confirmed with Link: Habs sign Hayden Verbeek

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MB plan; find more hard-working players with limited skills that coaches love.

Once you have attained the 100% threshold, your team being entirely compose of low skill high character high intangible players you automatically win the cup, it is a well hidden glitch in the system, thats why MB doesn't want to share his plan to other GMs, its better if he keeps it a secret so he can be the first one to get to 100%.
 

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They're really nothing alike. At this point you might as well compare Verbeek with Reway too.
What? That's not at all what I was arguing. I was comparing how Audette and Verbeek were both likely acquired to please a person/family in particular and were both possibly acquired as a favor, whereas Reway was drafted purely based off of his hockey skills
 

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What? You're arguing an entirely different point. I was comparing situations not player styles

What? That's not at all what I was arguing. I was comparing how Audette and Verbeek were both likely acquired to please a person/family in particular and were both possibly acquired as a favor, whereas Reway was drafted purely based off of his hockey skills

I guess you're right, although I don't remember that many complaints if any about Audette at the time of the pick. When he was picked, he was an offensive dynamo on a very weak team, so he at least had some talent to produce in spite of poor teammates and showed some promise to become an NHLer. Most of the complaints came later on when he failed to take the next step in his development and actually was looking like he was regressing in his last year in the Q when he had essentially become a PP specialist for Sherbrooke.
 

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I guess you're right, although I don't remember that many complaints if any about Audette at the time of the pick. When he was picked, he was an offensive dynamo on a very weak team, so he at least had some talent to produce in spite of poor teammates and showed some promise to become an NHLer. Most of the complaints came later on when he failed to take the next step in his development and actually was looking like he was regressing in his last year in the Q when he had essentially become a PP specialist for Sherbrooke.
Yeah Audette had more offensive talent, but I feel like Verbeek is more likely to make the NHL. Just as a bottom six guy, like a Brandon Tanev.
 

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lol When you don't expect them to do something....they just do it. Hey Bloodlines, Timmins loves him. 4th season in the OHL. Not even PPG. Bad playoffs stats. Perfect.
He's a solid player. Not being a PPG doesn't mean much. His team is crazy good. Not sure he'll ever amount to being a quality NHL'er, but he's a guy you notice every time he's on the ice. I've seen him more than a handful of times.
 

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Just watching him today was evident he has NHL potential.

Might surprise you but a tone of player can be labelled as having "NHL potential". That doesn't tel half the story. Verbeek is an underwhelming player with limited upside. He just happens to be related to a former player, which is always a plus for Timmins, who is too busy overcompensating in the gym for God knows what to even know anything about prospects anymore. It also helps that Pat Verbeek and Bergevin played together.

If this is a move with the NHL in mind, why not try to develop properly skilled players, instead? It can't be seen as a smart farm move either because you don't need to secure guys to 3-year contracts to find AHL-level players. They could find a bunch of local talent with more upside (if looking for a lottery ticket) or stronger seasoning (if looking for AHL results) than that if they just made a tiny effort.

People say it's not something to complain about without realizing that the energy, focus and developmental resources are limited and can only be put in so many players. These moves matters. They're not choices in a vacuum. It's a person to communicate with, take care of, put time and money in and that means one less spot available for someone else. Someone that's actually talented with some upside.
 

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Might surprise you but a tone of player can be labelled as having "NHL potential". That doesn't tel half the story. Verbeek is an underwhelming player with limited upside. He just happens to be related to a former player, which is always a plus for Timmins, who is too busy overcompensating in the gym for God knows what to even know anything about prospects anymore. It also helps that Pat Verbeek and Bergevin played together.

If this is a move with the NHL in mind, why not try to develop properly skilled players, instead? It can't be seen as a smart farm move either because you don't need to secure guys to 3-year contracts to find AHL-level players. They could find a bunch of local talent with more upside (if looking for a lottery ticket) or stronger seasoning (if looking for AHL results) than that if they just made a tiny effort.

People say it's not something to complain about without realizing that the energy, focus and developmental resources are limited and can only be put in so many players. These moves matters. They're not choices in a vacuum. It's a person to communicate with, take care of, put time and money in and that means one less spot available for someone else. Someone that's actually talented with some upside.
That last paragraph nails it, if we were doing these minor moves on top of filling the major holes nobody would care but when they are instead of doing anything to address our real needs is where the criticism comes from and will continue to come from, guys like his are on waivers all the time if we are ever hard up for bottom line players - which is unlikely during MBs tenure
 
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The Greyhound the Habs should work hard to draft is Barrett Hayton — very good in every aspect and getting better all the time!!!!!!
 

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He's a solid player. Not being a PPG doesn't mean much. His team is crazy good. Not sure he'll ever amount to being a quality NHL'er, but he's a guy you notice every time he's on the ice. I've seen him more than a handful of times.

Based on history......not being a PPG means everything. Especially in your last season in junior. And he has played 5 seasons. Again, you might find some. But they are a small minority. And I'm not talking about the enforcers here that existed before. His team is crazy good....but at one point, and in your 5th season, you shouldn't be a victim of your team being crazy good...you should be what makes it crazy good.
 
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Based on history......not being a PPG means everything. Especially in your last season in junior. And he has played 5 seasons. Again, you might find some. But they are a small minority. And I'm not talking about the enforcers here that existed before. His team is crazy good....but at one point, and in your 5th season, you shouldn't be a victim of your team being crazy good...you should be what makes it crazy good.
Well 4 seasons really he played 5 games as a 15 year old.

He might be the same size as his uncle but does not have the offensive talent nor the nastiness...Pat Verbeek ended his NHL career with 1400+ games, over 1000 points and 2900 PIM.
 

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Based on history......not being a PPG means everything. Especially in your last season in junior. And he has played 5 seasons. Again, you might find some. But they are a small minority. And I'm not talking about the enforcers here that existed before. His team is crazy good....but at one point, and in your 5th season, you shouldn't be a victim of your team being crazy good...you should be what makes it crazy good.
But he is a huge part of why his team is good? He's just not relied on for offence. He's wearing a letter and plays a good two-way game. He's a great PK'er for instance.

This organization is so far behind. We don't only need NHL talent but we need actual AHL talent to help our prospects grow. Maybe he ends up being that. At this point, any young player who can impact this organization in any single way need to be looked at because we're so shit from top to bottom.
 

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Well 4 seasons really he played 5 games as a 15 year old.

He might be the same size as his uncle but does not have the offensive talent nor the nastiness...Pat Verbeek ended his NHL career with 1400+ games, over 1000 points and 2900 PIM.

And Verbeek was immensely offensive in juniors. So there are no comparisons there. Again, at best Verbeek ends up Darren Helm. At the very very best. Some will say Paul Byron to which I say....no. Obviously. Byron's offense was always there.
 

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But he is a huge part of why his team is good? He's just not relied on for offence. He's wearing a letter and plays a good two-way game.

This organization is so far behind. We don't only need NHL talent but we need actual AHL talent to help our prospects grow. Maybe he ends up being that. At this point, any young player who can impact this organization in any single way need to be looked at because we're so **** from top to bottom.

I know. Yet, the 2-way players that succeed in the NHL were almost all of them once offensive stars in juniors. I can name you a lot of 2-way junior players. 2-way that in the end means more defensive than offensive. And most of them were not NHL'ers. Yes, surely AHL'ers. So fine, if he helps our AHL team. Great. Thing is, in the end, you always wish that a guy who's highest potential is the AHL signs a AHL/ECHL contract. But I guess they see him to be more than that. Yes, we willwait. And yes, our prospect pool suck. So more help is needed.
 

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Marc Bergevin's regime will be known by his defenders as the "it can't hurt" era

In which all of those "can't hurt" moves lead to 3 of the worst seasons in franchise history.

This move itself can't hurt. Bergevin's failure outside of his minor moves is what does hurt. Bergevin making minor pickups like adding 4th liners is alright, everyone could use some depth. However when that's all he can do right, then that's a big problem.
 
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Free agent signings like this is where you pick up gritty/character players. Using high picks on them like McCarron and Crisp is not how you pick up such players.

It's a great point. Yet, TBay signs Tyler Johnson and Yanni Gourde. Ondrej Palat was also 4 picks shy of not being picked. So I TOTALLY agree as far as draft picks are concerned. But you still can find some offensive gems. Especially since the draft is 7 rounds now. With more nations being represented.
 

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I know. Yet, the 2-way players that succeed in the NHL were almost all of them once offensive stars in juniors. I can name you a lot of 2-way junior players. 2-way that in the end means more defensive than offensive. And most of them were not NHL'ers. Yes, surely AHL'ers. So fine, if he helps our AHL team. Great. Thing is, in the end, you always wish that a guy who's highest potential is the AHL signs a AHL/ECHL contract. But I guess they see him to be more than that. Yes, we willwait. And yes, our prospect pool suck. So more help is needed.
Maybe he had other offers. He's very well respected in the O. Who knows. Bergevin is trash but I've seen enough of Verbeek to know he's going to give it his all to make us better. He's an elite PK'er too with good speed.
 

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It's a great point. Yet, TBay signs Tyler Johnson and Yanni Gourde.

No doubt the signings need to actually produce something since they haven't, I'm just pointing out that this is a better way for Bergevin to acquire this character players than through wasting high picks.
 

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No point the signings need to actually produce something since they haven't, I'm just pointing out that this is a better way for Bergevin to acquire this character players than through wasting high picks.

And that I agree on. A whole lot of grit with Pezzetta and Verbeek next year. No talent, but all character. We will see how it will turn out to be. We might lose a lot again...but at least, we will NOT like it. lol
 
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