Guillaume Latendresse vs Bobby Ryan

Buffalo87

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I can't wait till the habs play the rangers, you'll have a better idea of montreal group of forwards.

I won't say that we have a clear-cut better forward team than the ducks but we are as good as them if not slightly better IMO!

Well, the Habs have played the Sabres and I've seen the Habs in 2 other games as well and I was impressed but I'll still take Anaheim's forwards over Montreal's.
 

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While I haven´t seen Latendresse, I have seen alot of Bernier in the NHL. Maybe his game has changed from juniors. While I would not say he is the typical power forward, he actually does throw a lot of big hits, mostly while finishing his hit on the forecheck. He doesn´t go for huge open ice hits like an Owen Nolan used to do, but he plays a very physical brand of hockey.

On a sitenote: In the Sharks last game vs. Vancouver he literally powered through a Canuck defender along the boards which gave him an opportunity to cut to the net and pull a nice move... Too bad Luongo made the save, would have been a brilliant goal :)

lol. i saw that save. it looked like he just tried to pull of something special because he had given up the game or something. he really got little to no help from he's D that game. and my vote goes to bobby ryan and i'm not going to say anything else about it. there is no bashing here freaky habs fan;)
 

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What's that supposed to do? Scare me? Our defense is awful. Any group of forwards could score on it right now with the state it's in.

I don't see how your forwards are better. At all. Anaheim has better top 2 lines. The 3rd and 4th lines are similar in the fact that the players are just mediocre.

the original statement you disagreed with was "stacked at the wing" you don;t know much of your hockey if you disagreed with that, they are definatly stacked at the wing.

and it's way way too early to guess what types of careers ryan and gui should have and who will produce more, i mean we are looking at 2 19 year old power forwards these guys will take 5 years until you have a slight idea of what they can do. but i am very impressed with gui making the team at 19 specially for the type of player he is, his skating by the way isn't as bad as some tend to think, and he does have soft hands.
don't know much about ryan to say anything about him.
 

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Montreal is so underestimated on these boards ...

As a old-school Nords fan, I hate the Habs with a passion, but to say that Anaheim's forwards are better than Montreal's is nonsense ...

Selanne, McDonald, Penner, Getzlav, Perry, Chistov, Fedoruk, Green, Kunitz, Moen, Rob Niedermayer, Pahlsson, Shannon

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Koivu - Kovalev - Samsonov - Ryder - Higgins - Plekanec - Mike Johnson - Perezhogin - Latendresse - Bonk - Begin - Murray - Downey


Come ooon.
 

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does everyone of these threads have to have a habs player in it. it allways turns out ugly. you will never agree.:shakehead
 

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Burke doesnt want Ryan in a checking role, simple as that. Perry and Selanne are the two scoring RW and the checking line of Pahlsson-Nieds-Moen is already set, making Ryan the 4th line winger. I could care less what Montreal does with its kids, but Ryan in juniors is more benefitial to him and the team than a 4th line role here.
 

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Montreal is so underestimated on these boards ...

As a old-school Nords fan, I hate the Habs with a passion, but to say that Anaheim's forwards are better than Montreal's is nonsense ...

Selanne, McDonald, Penner, Getzlav, Perry, Chistov, Fedoruk, Green, Kunitz, Moen, Rob Niedermayer, Pahlsson, Shannon

VS

Koivu - Kovalev - Samsonov - Ryder - Higgins - Plekanec - Mike Johnson - Perezhogin - Latendresse - Bonk - Begin - Murray - Downey


Come ooon.

Actually, you just made me even more convinced that I'd take Anaheim's forwards over Montreal's. I honestly don't see anything great about the Habs forwards (not saying they're bad, just not great). Sure they have solid depth but young does not mean good and that seems to be the misconception here. Montreal has a few solid young players but none of them are as good as Getzlaf or Perry and really aren't much better than mediocre.
 

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Superroyain10 said it best when he pointed out that Anaheim has a knack of fixing skating problems... Both Getzlaf and Perry were average skaters - moreso Getzlaf - when they were drafted, and both of them are WORLDS better now.

The edge goes to Ryan in this one. Ryan is a pure goal scoring power forward. His dissapearing act at the 06 WJC left scouts, and some people, including myself dissapointed. He was invisible, and didn't play physically at all. The bigger ice surface exposed how bad his skating really is. His skating needs a lot of work for him to get to the NHL level.
And despite that after that gblowout Vs Norway he led team USA in scoring, and he's more of a playmaker than goal scorer. the OS coach actually APOLOGIZED to Brian Burke after a game he attended last year when Ryans linemates botched so many chances he set up for them.

With the puck I have no concerns about Ryans ability he can do things elite prospects do, the concerns I have revolve around him not having the puck such as skating. I would have preferred Johnson at 2 like many Duck fans and Kopitar wouldn't look bad either, but the Anaheim staff has an obvious anti european bias.

If Ryan reaches his potential he'll be a premiere power forward, if he doesn't he will still have a role in the league as a power play specialist IMO..
 

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Well... I'd take Kovalev, Koivu and Higgins before every single forward of Anaheim - either for pure talent, grit&heart and hockey sense&smarts more alike to a veteran center than a sophomore - but I'd also take Anaheim 3 others Top-6 guys (and even their bottom-3 Top-6 guys), so that kinda evens it out.

The bottom lines are somewhat alike, SLIGHT notch up for the Habs maybe (some say Radek Bonk could center a Top-2 line but I don't really beleive it, and I don't see Perez as something else than a low-maintenance Jan Bulis, BUT, Mike Johnson would probably be in the Top-6 in Anaheim...) so I guess it's pretty even. I saw him like.... twice, but I really like Dustin Penner.
 

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Sure they have solid depth but young does not mean good and that seems to be the misconception here. Montreal has a few solid young players but none of them are as good as Getzlaf or Perry and really aren't much better than mediocre.

Which comes back to my point... I'd take Getzlaf, Perry and Penner before Ryder, Samsonov and Plekanek, but not over Koivu, Kovalev and Higgins.

I would not take Selanne, McDonald and Kunitz (or Chistov, whoever is the other Top-6 guy...) ahead of those 3, neither.
 

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Well... I'd take Kovalev, Koivu and Higgins before every single forward of Anaheim - either for pure talent, grit&heart and hockey sense&smarts more alike to a veteran center than a sophomore - but I'd also take Anaheim 3 others Top-6 guys (and even their bottom-3 Top-6 guys), so that kinda evens it out.

The bottom lines are somewhat alike, SLIGHT notch up for the Habs maybe (some say Radek Bonk could center a Top-2 line but I don't really beleive it, and I don't see Perez as something else than a low-maintenance Jan Bulis, BUT, Mike Johnson would probably be in the Top-6 in Anaheim...) so I guess it's pretty even. I saw him like.... twice, but I really like Dustin Penner.
Of course you would, nevermind the fact that McDonald and Selanne outscored every Montreal forward last year.
 

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Agreed completely.

Anaheim is a bonafide Cup contender.

Montreal is a bonafide playoff contender.

HUGE difference.

The vote, from me, goes to Ryan in a landslide.

and the Jon Prescription habs hate continues..... I wasn't reffering to how stacked Anaheim' team was, just Montreal. Higgins, Ryder,Kovalev, Samsonov, Johnson, Perezhogin, Murray,Kostitsyn,Latendresse and Grabovski, that's called depth!

and Buffalo87, please man get a clue:help: calling Mike Johnson and Alexander Perezhogin mediocre, Johnson is doing every little thing right on the ice right now for us and Perezhogin flys whe nhe has the puck and is started to comeout on his own, meaning finishing more plays, next step would be for him to put some more points on the scoresheet but to say they're mediocre makes your comment useless and just plain stupid, no offense...
 

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I fail to see how guys like Perezhogin, Murray, Kostitsyn, Latendresse, etc. can be considered part of a "stacked" team.

Your team isn't stacked. Hate to burst your bubble.

It's a solid set of forwards, no doubt. But so far from stacked it's not even funny.
 

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Well in today hockey,
players with the more points total is de facto labelled as the best player, but in reality there is something called defensive game, physical game and intensity that is somehow often not taken into consideration.

Latendresse is with the habs not for scoring goal(right now) but to hit everything he can.

Some might say it is wrong to use him at this role to me it's the best option because he's followed with NHL trainers and nhl practise and he has to adjust himself to the NHL speed, in junior he wouldnt have had that chance.

the habs brass know he can score, but they want him to learn all the aspects of the game before puttting him on a scoring role.
 

Buffalo87

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Which comes back to my point... I'd take Getzlaf, Perry and Penner before Ryder, Samsonov and Plekanek, but not over Koivu, Kovalev and Higgins.

I would not take Selanne, McDonald and Kunitz (or Chistov, whoever is the other Top-6 guy...) ahead of those 3, neither.

Well, there's the problem, take off your homer glasses and you'll understand our point of view.
 

Buffalo87

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and Buffalo87, please man get a clue:help: calling Mike Johnson and Alexander Perezhogin mediocre, Johnson is doing every little thing right on the ice right now for us and Perezhogin flys whe nhe has the puck and is started to comeout on his own, meaning finishing more plays, next step would be for him to put some more points on the scoresheet but to say they're mediocre makes your comment useless and just plain stupid, no offense...

Doesn't it tell you something when the only people picking Habs forwards over Ducks forwards are Habs fans? The rest of us who have a somewhat neutral point of view are picking the Ducks, that should tell you something.

I fail to see how Perezhogin, Johnson, or Latendresse are anything better than mediocre. Sure, Perezhogin and Latendresse have good potential and can show flashes of brilliance, but that still doesn't make them any better at this point in time. And anybody saying they'd pick Higgins over MacDonald or Selanne...wow, just WOW.
 

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God some Hab fans are biased. Based on true potential its Bobby Ryan, secondly his game will compliment that of the young guys in Anaheim perfectly. Latendresse will at most get 75 points where i can see Ryan getting around 95-100.
 

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definitely in agreement with ya here. Anaheim has better scoring players, just as good scoring depth, and BETTER checking line players.


Let's see...
C:
- Koivu >> Macdonald (yes, mcd had more points, but I don't think a GM in the league doesn't pick Koivu)
- Getzlaf > Plekanec
- Bonk = Marchant (salary aside, I think I prefer Bonk with the habs if only cuz of his size... but i think both players bring similar value)
- Begin > Pahlsson (Don't know much about pahlsson, but Begin is perhaps the best grind/energy line player in the league)

RW:
-Kovalev < Selanne ( kovalev may have a better all around skill set, but selanne plays with much more determination... damn I wish I could see koivu/selanne together in the NHL!)
- Ryder > Perry (perry may have better upside, but right now Ryder is the more proven/established player)
- Johnson > Niedemayer (Johnson brings more off punch to the table and both are solid defensive forwards)
- Green > Latendresse (lats has better potential, but green is the better player today)

LW:
Higgins >> Penner (Penner was impresive in the playoffs last year, but Higgins is a gem on the verge of stardom)
Samsonov = Kunitz (potential may go to kunitz, but Samsonov is still a dynamo)
Perez > Moen (they play different games, but I'd take perez)
Murray = Fedoruk/Shannon (a pick'em imo)

both teams have a big ? european forward waiting in the wings with great potential but serious questions (chistov/kots)


I may not have matched each player properly according to where they currently sit in their teams depth charts, but overall I think that the two teams have a very similar pool of talent depth at forward, with the long term edge going to ANH, but the right now edge slightly in MTL's favor...

Either way I find it amusing that some posters wildly champion either club as being much better than the other.

That all said, IMO Latendresse will prove to be the better of the two players. Ryan has skating issues wich (even with good coaching) will hurt his Professional progress and make him a later bloomer, whereas Latendress is getting a great early start to his career in an almost ideal situation (great coach to round out his game in Carboneau, a full season or two playing in the NHL with no pressure to produce from the team -the media is a different story-)

but only time will tell!
 

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I fail to see how Perezhogin, Johnson, or Latendresse are anything better than mediocre

I'd like to see how you would explain how Johnson is mediocre, I need a laugh anyway.

- Begin > Pahlsson (Don't know much about pahlsson, but Begin is perhaps the best grind/energy line player in the league)

No way, give me Pahlsson on our third line and I'll be very happy.

And anybody saying they'd pick Higgins over MacDonald or Selanne...wow, just WOW.

While there is no way I'd take Higgins over Selanne, I think it's much closer with MacDonald. The season is very young, but Higgins looks so much improved over last year it's not even funny, to the point that he's our second best foward. But yeah, though he's six years older, MacDonald amazing season last year is hard to ignore.
 
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Let's see...
C:
- Koivu >> Macdonald (yes, mcd had more points, but I don't think a GM in the league doesn't pick Koivu)

I don't know about that, McDonald just scored over 80 points, something Koivu has not done.

- Getzlaf > Plekanec
- Bonk = Marchant (salary aside, I think I prefer Bonk with the habs if only cuz of his size... but i think both players bring similar value)
You guys do nothing but trash Bonk, Marchant is a good defensive forward who is a solid forechecker and a great skater. Salary issues aside i'm not sure many would want Bonk, Marchant is a good third liner who will chip in a point every other game and he's one of those role players that you like in the playoffs.


- Begin > Pahlsson (Don't know much about pahlsson, but Begin is perhaps the best grind/energy line player in the league)
And Pahlsson is one of the best defensive centers in the league who brings intangibles of his own and his offense is improving.


- Ryder > Perry (perry may have better upside, but right now Ryder is the more proven/established player
No argument here.
- Johnson > Niedemayer (Johnson brings more off punch to the table and both are solid defensive forwards)
Johnson is one of the softest players in the league, Niedermayer like Marchant will give you a point every other game and plays a gritty game. But Johnson does have better offensive ability.

- Green > Latendresse (lats has better potential, but green is the better player today)

LW:
Higgins >> Penner (Penner was impresive in the playoffs last year, but Higgins is a gem on the verge of stardom)
No complaints here.
Samsonov = Kunitz (potential may go to kunitz, but Samsonov is still a dynamo)
Samsonov is not a dynamo, he's another soft forward that Montreal possesses. Kunitz despite his size plays a gritty game and can skate and so far he's been one of Anaheims best forwards.
Perez > Moen (they play different games, but I'd take perez)
Murray = Fedoruk/Shannon (a pick'em imo)

After reading this I conclude that offensively speaking, depthwise they are not far apart. Anaheim has 2 guys that were over 80 points last year, while the habs had none. Both teams are relying on young players to shoulder some of the load, and Anaheim has alot more grit than Montreal.
 

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