As we all know, scoring was WAY higher in the 80s, so it was easier to get an 80-85 point season. What ive realized though that 60 points today was about 80-85 back then, and an 75-80 point season today would have been a 100+ point season in the 80s. Thus, alot of Great but not amazing players would be Superstars, possibly legends if they played in the 1980s... and here are some (10) of the players I think would be legends if they played in the 80s. Note: I Will Explain Why in the reply section.
Note 2: As a point for reference if you want to calculate his stats, 1979-80=2005-06 and the 2004-05 lockout season does not exist (thus having the 2003-04 season=the 1978-79 season. divide goals in the past by goals now and use that as a multiplyer to their Points.
Note 3: if you want to get more complicated, put the multiplyer on goals and assists and accumulate the stats year by year.
Final Note: none of these players were rookies prior to 2002.
1. Kris Letang (Only Defenseman, So please don't get mad at me in the replys)
2. Paul Stastny
3. Taylor Hall (Young, Still more to prove I know, but he is still good)
4. Tyler Seguin (Same thing as Taylor Hall)
5. Jason Spezza
6. Thomas Vanek
7. Eric Staal
8. Ryan Getzlaf
9. Phil Kessel
10. Anze Kopitar
1. Kris Letang
Letang is a solid player with some solid years but is barely a hall of fame caliber guy in the 80s. his best years are 1988-1991 (which is 2014-2017) where he is capable of 70-85 points. For a defenseman he is very solid but he isn't even point per game in the 80s so let's continue.
2. Paul Stastny
Last year he would have technically scored 50 points, but he would have scored points in the 100-105 area in his first 3 years of his career (1980-1983). He would be a consistent player at a young age, thus making him a prime hall candidate for the future.
I think John Tavares(not sure if he counts as an amazing player already though) would have been a perennial 110-120 point player in the 80’s. His lack of elite skating/speed would not be as much of an issue in the longer shift era. With his skill only being allowed to show more.
3/4: Taylor v Tyler Debate
This would be a hall of fame debate. peaking with hall scoring 108 in 13-14 and seguin scoring 113 the same year. it's become more clear who is better, as hall only scores 66 on his new team in 90-91 and seguin scores 90 the same year but these two would probably go down in history as legends.
4. Jason Spezza
81 assists in 68 games in 79-80. 133 points in 1981-82. He would have 63 points in 90-91 (this previous year) and about 1100 points all in all.
While I would suspect that most people would be able to judge offensive talent fairly accurately relative to their peers (i.e. no one's going to say that Mike Rogers is better than Taylor Hall just because Rogers is a three-time 100+ point scorer), I do wonder how much of an impact seeing large numbers have subconsciously.
I decided to adjust a few 80's players plus a few active players in their approximate tier using the breakdown of EV and special teams method (since it was my own ) and compare to your list. Numbers are adjusted to last season, so you know that 100 points is Connor McDavid and 89 points is Patrick Kane. The 10th place scorer (Vladimir Tarasenko) had 75 points. Using Bernie Federko as a lower limit for the HHOF, I would guess that for forwards, a top-7 year "VsX estimate" (i.e. adjusted points divided by 89) of at least 82 is necessary to *maybe* get into the Hall (plus, of course, a bunch of other decent to good years). I'd guess you'd need a 7-year VsX estimate of 90 and other good to great years to be a guaranteed inductee. For defensemen, I would guess that the number of end-of-year All-Star Team selections would be a better guess for induction purposes than raw points.
Mike Bossy (VsX est. 101.4, legend):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
1977-78
21
75
45
33
78
23
22
0
20
13
0
1.04
0.57
87.6
1978-79
22
82
54
46
100
34
20
0
28
18
0
1.22
0.76
112.4
1979-80
23
77
40
34
74
28
12
0
22
12
0
0.96
0.65
83.1
1980-81
24
81
47
39
86
29
17
1
29
10
0
1.06
0.72
96.6
1981-82
25
82
45
58
103
34
11
0
39
19
0
1.26
0.89
115.7
1982-83
26
81
43
42
85
31
12
0
28
14
0
1.05
0.73
95.5
1983-84
27
69
37
48
85
33
4
0
34
14
0
1.23
0.97
95.5
1984-85
28
78
41
44
85
30
9
2
35
9
0
1.09
0.83
95.5
1985-86
29
82
43
45
88
30
12
1
33
11
1
1.07
0.77
98.9
1986-87
30
65
30
27
57
24
5
1
12
15
0
0.88
0.55
64.0
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Sidney Crosby (VsX est. 109.0, first-ballot inductee, legend):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2005-06
18
81
35
51
86
26
9
0
33
17
1
1.06
0.73
96.6
2006-07
19
79
34
69
103
25
9
0
38
31
0
1.30
0.80
115.7
2007-08
20
53
25
44
69
20
5
0
28
15
1
1.30
0.91
77.5
2008-09
21
77
33
61
94
28
5
0
37
23
1
1.22
0.84
105.6
2009-10
22
81
50
54
104
37
11
2
36
17
1
1.28
0.90
116.9
2010-11
23
41
32
33
65
22
9
1
25
8
0
1.59
1.15
73.0
2011-12
24
22
8
29
37
6
2
0
20
9
0
1.68
1.18
41.6
2012-13
25
62
27
70
97
22
5
0
48
22
0
1.56
1.13
109.0
2013-14
26
80
37
68
105
26
11
0
42
26
0
1.31
0.85
118.0
2014-15
27
77
28
56
84
18
10
0
35
21
0
1.09
0.69
94.4
2015-16
28
80
37
50
87
27
10
0
36
14
0
1.09
0.79
97.8
2016-17
29
75
44
45
89
30
14
0
34
11
0
1.19
0.85
100.0
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Alex Ovechkin (VsX est. 106.7, first-ballot inductee, legend):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2005-06
20
81
45
42
87
31
12
2
25
17
0
1.07
0.69
97.8
2006-07
21
82
44
40
84
33
11
0
26
14
0
1.02
0.72
94.4
2007-08
22
82
65
46
111
48
17
0
35
11
0
1.35
1.01
124.7
2008-09
23
79
53
47
100
38
14
1
28
19
0
1.27
0.84
112.4
2009-10
24
72
49
55
104
38
11
0
36
19
0
1.44
1.03
116.9
2010-11
25
79
32
52
84
26
6
0
37
15
0
1.06
0.80
94.4
2011-12
26
78
39
27
66
26
13
0
17
10
0
0.85
0.55
74.2
2012-13
27
82
55
40
95
29
26
0
23
17
0
1.16
0.63
106.7
2013-14
28
78
51
27
78
28
23
0
12
14
1
1.00
0.51
87.6
2014-15
29
81
54
28
82
29
25
0
19
9
0
1.01
0.59
92.1
2015-16
30
79
51
22
73
32
19
0
17
5
0
0.92
0.62
82.0
2016-17
31
82
33
36
69
16
17
0
27
9
0
0.84
0.52
77.5
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Peter Stastny (VsX est. 94.9):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
1980-81
24
79
28
52
80
20
7
1
39
13
0
1.01
0.75
89.9
1981-82
25
82
31
66
97
19
10
2
44
21
1
1.18
0.77
109.0
1982-83
26
77
34
57
91
31
3
0
37
19
1
1.18
0.88
102.2
1983-84
27
82
33
54
87
26
7
0
40
13
1
1.06
0.80
97.8
1984-85
28
77
24
49
73
18
5
1
34
15
0
0.95
0.68
82.0
1985-86
29
78
29
56
85
20
9
0
32
24
0
1.09
0.67
95.5
1986-87
30
66
18
40
58
10
8
0
27
13
0
0.88
0.56
65.2
1987-88
31
78
34
44
78
23
11
0
23
20
1
1.00
0.59
87.6
1988-89
32
74
26
35
61
19
7
0
21
13
1
0.82
0.54
68.5
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Patrick Kane (VsX est. 93.9, held back by injuries in a couple of seasons, first-ballot inductee):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2007-08
19
82
21
48
69
16
5
0
33
15
0
0.84
0.60
77.5
2008-09
20
80
22
39
61
13
9
0
24
15
0
0.76
0.46
68.5
2009-10
21
82
30
54
84
22
8
0
37
16
1
1.02
0.72
94.4
2010-11
22
73
27
44
71
23
4
0
27
17
0
0.97
0.68
79.8
2011-12
23
82
24
43
67
20
4
0
35
8
0
0.82
0.67
75.3
2012-13
24
80
40
54
94
27
13
0
40
14
0
1.18
0.84
105.6
2013-14
25
69
30
39
69
20
10
0
25
14
0
1.00
0.65
77.5
2014-15
26
61
28
37
65
22
6
0
21
16
0
1.07
0.70
73.0
2015-16
27
82
47
62
109
30
17
0
42
20
0
1.33
0.88
122.5
2016-17
28
82
34
55
89
27
7
0
39
16
0
1.09
0.80
100.0
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Ryan Getzlaf (VsX est. 87.8, definite HHOF induction aided by international resume):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2005-06
20
57
10
20
30
4
6
0
12
8
0
0.53
0.28
33.7
2006-07
21
82
22
27
49
14
7
1
14
13
0
0.60
0.34
55.1
2007-08
22
77
25
51
76
21
3
1
28
23
0
0.99
0.64
85.4
2008-09
23
81
23
59
82
17
6
0
39
20
0
1.01
0.69
92.1
2009-10
24
66
18
48
66
11
7
0
36
12
0
1.00
0.71
74.2
2010-11
25
67
18
56
74
12
6
0
38
18
0
1.10
0.75
83.1
2011-12
26
82
11
46
57
7
4
0
26
19
1
0.70
0.40
64.0
2012-13
27
75
26
57
83
14
6
6
40
17
0
1.11
0.72
93.3
2013-14
28
77
32
56
88
27
5
0
39
17
0
1.14
0.86
98.9
2014-15
29
77
26
45
71
23
3
0
33
10
2
0.92
0.73
79.8
2015-16
30
77
13
51
64
7
6
0
34
16
1
0.83
0.53
71.9
2016-17
31
74
15
58
73
7
6
2
43
14
1
0.99
0.68
82.0
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Tyler Seguin (VsX est. 72.8, given last 4 seasons will likely go up with time to put him into HHOF consideration):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2010-11
19
74
11
11
22
10
1
0
9
2
0
0.30
0.26
24.7
2011-12
20
81
30
38
68
25
5
0
28
10
0
0.84
0.65
76.4
2012-13
21
82
27
27
54
21
6
0
24
3
0
0.66
0.55
60.7
2013-14
22
80
38
47
85
27
11
0
34
13
0
1.06
0.76
95.5
2014-15
23
71
38
40
78
25
13
0
24
16
0
1.10
0.69
87.6
2015-16
24
72
34
41
75
27
7
0
24
17
0
1.04
0.71
84.3
2016-17
25
82
26
46
72
15
11
0
28
18
0
0.88
0.52
80.9
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Jason Spezza (VsX est. 84.8, possible eventual HHOF induction):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2002-03
19
33
7
13
20
5
2
0
6
7
0
0.61
0.33
22.5
2003-04
20
78
24
36
60
20
4
0
29
7
0
0.77
0.63
67.4
2005-06
22
68
17
58
75
13
4
0
40
18
0
1.10
0.78
84.3
2006-07
23
67
32
48
80
22
9
1
34
13
1
1.19
0.84
89.9
2007-08
24
76
34
55
89
26
8
0
39
16
0
1.17
0.86
100.0
2008-09
25
82
29
37
66
19
9
1
24
13
0
0.80
0.52
74.2
2009-10
26
60
21
32
53
12
9
0
21
11
0
0.88
0.55
59.6
2010-11
27
62
20
35
55
14
6
0
25
9
1
0.89
0.63
61.8
2011-12
28
80
35
51
86
25
10
0
37
14
0
1.08
0.78
96.6
2012-13
29
9
4
6
10
2
2
0
4
2
0
1.11
0.67
11.2
2013-14
30
75
24
43
67
15
9
0
31
12
0
0.89
0.61
75.3
2014-15
31
82
17
44
61
13
4
0
23
21
0
0.74
0.44
68.5
2015-16
32
75
34
31
65
25
9
0
16
15
0
0.87
0.55
73.0
2016-17
33
68
15
35
50
12
2
1
18
17
0
0.74
0.44
56.2
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Eric Staal (VsX est. 86.0, possible eventual HHOF induction):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2003-04
19
81
12
22
34
9
2
1
18
4
0
0.42
0.33
38.2
2005-06
21
82
37
48
85
25
10
2
37
11
0
1.04
0.76
95.5
2006-07
22
82
27
36
63
18
8
1
27
9
0
0.77
0.55
70.8
2007-08
23
82
38
40
78
27
11
0
25
15
0
0.95
0.63
87.6
2008-09
24
82
37
33
70
26
10
1
25
7
1
0.85
0.62
78.7
2009-10
25
70
28
39
67
17
11
0
31
8
0
0.96
0.69
75.3
2010-11
26
81
33
41
74
19
11
3
26
15
0
0.91
0.56
83.1
2011-12
27
82
24
46
70
14
7
3
28
16
2
0.85
0.51
78.7
2012-13
28
82
32
60
92
25
5
2
51
9
0
1.12
0.93
103.4
2013-14
29
79
22
41
63
19
1
2
28
11
2
0.80
0.59
70.8
2014-15
30
77
23
31
54
16
7
0
21
10
0
0.70
0.48
60.7
2015-16
31
83
13
27
40
12
1
0
21
6
0
0.48
0.40
44.9
2015-16
31
63
10
24
34
9
1
0
18
6
0
0.54
0.43
38.2
2015-16
31
20
3
3
6
3
0
0
3
0
0
0.30
0.30
6.7
2016-17
32
82
28
37
65
23
4
1
24
12
1
0.79
0.57
73.0
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
Anze Kopitar (VsX est. 82.6, also known for defensive play, which would aid his case for induction):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2006-07
19
72
18
34
52
12
5
1
20
14
0
0.72
0.44
58.4
2007-08
20
82
31
41
72
20
9
2
23
16
2
0.88
0.52
80.9
2008-09
21
82
26
35
61
20
5
1
24
11
0
0.74
0.54
68.5
2009-10
22
82
33
43
76
20
12
1
23
20
0
0.93
0.52
85.4
2010-11
23
75
25
48
73
19
5
1
37
11
0
0.97
0.75
82.0
2011-12
24
82
25
51
76
15
8
2
31
18
2
0.93
0.56
85.4
2012-13
25
80
18
53
71
18
0
0
28
25
0
0.89
0.58
79.8
2013-14
26
82
30
41
71
20
10
0
29
12
0
0.87
0.60
79.8
2014-15
27
79
16
48
64
10
6
0
30
18
0
0.81
0.51
71.9
2015-16
28
81
26
50
76
20
5
1
35
13
2
0.94
0.68
85.4
2016-17
29
76
12
40
52
7
5
0
25
14
1
0.68
0.42
58.4
[TBODY]
[/TBODY]
John Tavares (VsX est. 83.1, still young and can add to his resume):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2009-10
19
82
22
28
50
13
9
0
16
12
0
0.61
0.35
56.2
2010-11
20
79
29
36
65
21
8
0
23
13
0
0.82
0.56
73.0
2011-12
21
82
32
50
82
25
7
0
32
18
0
1.00
0.70
92.1
2012-13
22
82
48
32
80
34
14
0
21
11
0
0.98
0.67
89.9
2013-14
23
59
25
41
66
17
8
0
25
16
0
1.12
0.71
74.2
2014-15
24
82
39
48
87
26
13
0
29
18
1
1.06
0.67
97.8
2015-16
25
78
34
38
72
27
7
0
26
12
0
0.92
0.68
80.9
2016-17
26
77
28
38
66
20
7
1
26
11
1
0.86
0.60
74.2
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Bernie Federko (VsX est. 82.5):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
1976-77
20
32
12
8
20
7
5
0
6
2
0
0.63
0.41
22.5
1977-78
21
74
14
21
35
11
3
0
14
7
0
0.47
0.34
39.3
1978-79
22
76
24
52
76
19
5
0
34
18
0
1.00
0.70
85.4
1979-80
23
81
30
46
76
25
5
0
30
16
0
0.94
0.68
85.4
1980-81
24
80
22
53
75
15
6
1
30
23
0
0.94
0.56
84.3
1981-82
25
76
21
44
65
14
7
0
35
9
0
0.86
0.64
73.0
1982-83
26
77
17
44
61
11
6
0
31
13
0
0.79
0.55
68.5
1983-84
27
81
29
48
77
20
9
0
34
14
0
0.95
0.67
86.5
1984-85
28
78
22
52
74
18
4
0
31
21
0
0.95
0.63
83.1
1985-86
29
82
23
48
71
14
9
0
34
14
0
0.87
0.59
79.8
1986-87
30
66
15
39
54
9
6
0
22
17
0
0.82
0.47
60.7
1987-88
31
81
15
49
64
10
5
0
31
18
0
0.79
0.51
71.9
1988-89
32
68
16
32
48
11
5
0
21
11
0
0.71
0.47
53.9
1989-90
33
75
14
29
43
12
2
0
16
13
0
0.57
0.37
48.3
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Phil Kessel (VsX est. 81.5, not a likely inductee... yet...)
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2006-07
19
70
12
18
30
11
1
0
15
3
0
0.43
0.37
33.7
2007-08
20
82
20
18
38
16
4
0
17
1
0
0.46
0.40
42.7
2008-09
21
70
36
22
58
30
6
0
17
5
0
0.83
0.67
65.2
2009-10
22
70
30
24
54
23
7
0
17
7
0
0.77
0.57
60.7
2010-11
23
82
32
31
63
20
11
1
21
10
0
0.77
0.50
70.8
2011-12
24
82
38
45
83
28
10
0
32
13
0
1.01
0.73
93.3
2012-13
25
82
35
54
89
25
10
0
30
24
0
1.09
0.67
100.0
2013-14
26
82
38
43
81
30
8
0
32
11
0
0.99
0.76
91.0
2014-15
27
82
25
36
61
17
8
0
19
17
0
0.74
0.44
68.5
2015-16
28
82
27
34
61
23
4
0
21
13
0
0.74
0.54
68.5
2016-17
29
82
23
47
70
15
8
0
25
22
0
0.85
0.49
78.7
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Thomas Vanek (VsX est. 76.2, not going to be inducted)
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2005-06
22
81
22
18
40
16
6
0
11
7
0
0.49
0.33
44.9
2006-07
23
82
40
41
81
30
10
0
36
5
0
0.99
0.80
91.0
2007-08
24
82
33
29
62
19
14
0
25
4
0
0.76
0.54
69.7
2008-09
25
73
35
23
58
19
14
2
19
4
0
0.79
0.52
65.2
2009-10
26
71
27
24
51
19
8
0
17
7
0
0.72
0.51
57.3
2010-11
27
80
32
39
71
22
10
0
24
15
0
0.89
0.58
79.8
2011-12
28
78
27
35
62
17
10
0
21
14
0
0.79
0.49
69.7
2012-13
29
65
35
36
71
18
15
2
28
8
0
1.09
0.71
79.8
2013-14
30
78
28
42
70
20
8
0
32
10
0
0.90
0.67
78.7
2013-14
30
13
4
5
9
3
1
0
2
3
0
0.69
0.38
10.1
2013-14
30
47
17
27
44
12
5
0
20
7
0
0.94
0.68
49.4
2013-14
30
18
6
9
15
4
2
0
9
0
0
0.83
0.72
16.9
2014-15
31
80
21
31
52
16
5
0
19
12
0
0.65
0.44
58.4
2015-16
32
74
18
24
42
12
6
0
16
8
0
0.57
0.38
47.2
2016-17
33
68
17
31
48
12
5
0
23
8
0
0.71
0.51
53.9
2016-17
33
48
15
23
38
10
5
0
17
6
0
0.79
0.56
42.7
2016-17
33
20
2
8
10
2
0
0
6
2
0
0.50
0.40
11.2
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Taylor Hall (VsX est. 67.4, uncertain future, but he's still young...):
Season
Age
GP
G
A
PTS
EVG
PPG
SHG
EVA
PPA
SHA
PTS/GP
EVPTS/GP
VsX est.
2010-11
19
65
21
20
41
14
7
0
17
3
0
0.63
0.48
46.1
2011-12
20
61
27
26
53
14
13
0
18
8
0
0.87
0.52
59.6
2012-13
21
77
28
58
86
22
6
0
42
16
0
1.12
0.83
96.6
2013-14
22
75
28
54
82
21
7
0
43
10
1
1.09
0.85
92.1
2014-15
23
53
14
24
38
11
3
0
21
3
0
0.72
0.60
42.7
2015-16
24
82
27
40
67
23
4
0
32
8
0
0.82
0.67
75.3
2016-17
25
72
20
33
53
13
7
0
25
8
0
0.74
0.53
59.6
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Bobby Smith (VsX est. 74.8, not going to be inducted)
I think a guy like Paul Byron would be a hell of a lot better obviously not a legend but probably an all star. His speed would get him so many chances in a more wide open game. Bure would be the unquestionable goat.
Kessel Would be considered incredible for 3 years, and kopitar's consistency would also land him into the hall of fame discussion. Crosby would be the 2nd best player until lemieux joins, then he would be third best.
This is based off of that the 2005-06 nhl season converting stats to 1979-80 season, then go from there.
This would mean mcdavid would be behind gretzky by 5 points in 1990-91. Crosby would be 20+ goals behind brett hull.
I thought this thread would be about players whos style would fit the 80s the best. Turns out its just a "lets apply adjusted stats to every modern player without any context and call them amazing"-thread.
Kovalev and Datsyuk were amazing though, but they would have torn the game completely apart in the 1980s. The Sedins would have left a trail of destruction too.
Kovalev started playing in 1992, and got 38 points in 65 games in a season with more 100+ point-scorers than any season in the 80s, and yet he would have "torn the game apart"...? That makes zero sense.
He blows Spezza away in the playoffs. Could see an argument for Kesse having the better peak considering respective line mates. Maybe a better international performer too.
He blows Spezza away in the playoffs. Could see an argument for Kesse having the better peak considering respective line mates. Maybe a better international performer too.
You are seriously underrating Spezza if you think Kessel "blows him away" in the playoffs. Spezza playoff PPG: .94 and Kessels: .93. How is that "blowing someone away"? Better regular season peak? Kessel has a season above 80 points. Spezza has four with two of them being over 90. I will agree that both of them gets shitted on more than they deserve but right now Spezza is shitted on even more for some ridiculous reason.
Internationally you are probably right with Kessels '14 OG putting him over the top.
He blows Spezza away in the playoffs. Could see an argument for Kesse having the better peak considering respective line mates. Maybe a better international performer too.
Spezza at his best was definitely a better player than Kessel. Spezza has pretty good playoff numbers too. When the Sens went to the SCF in 2007, he had 22 points in 20 games, which is on par with Kessel's numbers during the back-to-back Cup runs. Spezza didn't win the Cup, but he has better regular season numbers than Kessel and performed better as the central piece of his team after Alfredsson's decline.
I wouldn't say that Kessel is more likely to make it to the HOF. In fact, I don't think either player ends up in the HOF.
You are seriously underrating Spezza if you think Kessel "blows him away" in the playoffs. Spezza playoff PPG: .94 and Kessels: .93. How is that "blowing someone away"?
Nothing Spezza has done in the playoffs can match Kessel's past two year run. Especially not Spezza's 2007 run where he disappeared in the finals as the weakest link on "the best line in hockey". Close in career playoff ppg, not close in playoff performance.
Better regular season peak? Kessel has a season above 80 points. Spezza has four with two of them being over 90. I will agree that both of them gets ****ted on more than they deserve but right now Spezza is ****ted on even more for some ridiculous reason.
This is where looking at raw point totals fails to tell the whole story. Kessel was putting up his best regular seasons carrying around Tyler Bozak all season. During Spezza's best seasons he was maybe the third best player on his own line, possibly the 2nd best. Like I said previously; an argument can be made.
Nothing Spezza has done in the playoffs can match Kessel's past two year run. Especially not Spezza's 2007 run where he disappeared in the finals as the weakest link on "the best line in hockey". Close in career playoff ppg, not close in playoff performance.
He was the weakest link yet the one who were supposed convert his passing only scored 1 goal?
This is where looking at raw point totals fails to tell the whole story. Kessel was putting up his best regular seasons carrying around Tyler Bozak all season. During Spezza's best seasons he was maybe the third best player on his own line, possibly the 2nd best. Like I said previously; an argument can be made.
Yeah, this is why these adjustments make me uneasy at times. A nine time 50 goal scorer who almost got to 70 at times......would only be able to do it once in today's NHL? I don't know about that.
As we all know, scoring was WAY higher in the 80s, so it was easier to get an 80-85 point season. What ive realized though that 60 points today was about 80-85 back then, and an 75-80 point season today would have been a 100+ point season in the 80s. Thus, alot of Great but not amazing players would be Superstars, possibly legends if they played in the 1980s... and here are some (10) of the players I think would be legends if they played in the 80s. Note: I Will Explain Why in the reply section.
Note 2: As a point for reference if you want to calculate his stats, 1979-80=2005-06 and the 2004-05 lockout season does not exist (thus having the 2003-04 season=the 1978-79 season. divide goals in the past by goals now and use that as a multiplyer to their Points.
Note 3: if you want to get more complicated, put the multiplyer on goals and assists and accumulate the stats year by year.
Final Note: none of these players were rookies prior to 2002.
1. Kris Letang (Only Defenseman, So please don't get mad at me in the replys)
2. Paul Stastny
3. Taylor Hall (Young, Still more to prove I know, but he is still good)
4. Tyler Seguin (Same thing as Taylor Hall)
5. Jason Spezza
6. Thomas Vanek
7. Eric Staal
8. Ryan Getzlaf
9. Phil Kessel
10. Anze Kopitar
Problem is that you are adjusting for points or goals and not for skating ability. This is where your comparison breaks down.
Prime example would be center. Denis Savard was a much better skater than any of the centers listed in your group of ten. When the short shift game entered the league, players like Savard saw their skating advantage neutralized because others could match them for 30 to 45 seconds.
Likewise wingers. Mats Naslund had a 100+ point season but he could skate much better than any of the wingers you list.
Same for defencemen. Kris Letang is not the skater that Ray Bourque or Mark Howe were. Far from Paul Coffey.
Also none of the 10 you list have that one defining skill that set certain 1980s players apart. Kessel does not have the positioning or quick release of a Mike Bossy and so forth.
Most of them have been engineered for the narrow demands of the short skill game and they produce above average results.
Kovalev gets a bit overrated in things like this, his stickhandling was out of this world and he had a pretty good shot but he lacked hockey IQ in the end. He didn't have that truly elite vision.
Yeah, this is why these adjustments make me uneasy at times. A nine time 50 goal scorer who almost got to 70 at times......would only be able to do it once in today's NHL? I don't know about that.
Mike Bossy played thru the end of the long shift era before retiring with back problems. His biggest strength was the ability to work a shift to get into position for his quick release.
Long shift era pretty well eliminated the "work a shift" skill players. Ovechkin does not work a shift, He relies on offensive overloads to the right side, especially on the PP to get open on the left. 7 of his 13 goals in 16 games this season came in the first two games. League adjusted, his scoring regressed to his recent norms - 6 goals in 14 games.
I think a guy like Paul Byron would be a hell of a lot better obviously not a legend but probably an all star. His speed would get him so many chances in a more wide open game. Bure would be the unquestionable goat.
Lets go the other way around. Players like Gordie Howe and Maurice Richard wouldve killed it in 80s and I wonder if both of them wouldnt have been great challengers to Gretzky.
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) and compare to your list. Numbers are adjusted to last season, so you know that 100 points is Connor McDavid and 89 points is Patrick Kane. The 10th place scorer (Vladimir Tarasenko) had 75 points. Using Bernie Federko as a lower limit for the HHOF, I would guess that for forwards, a top-7 year "VsX estimate" (i.e. adjusted points divided by 89) of at least 82 is necessary to *maybe* get into the Hall (plus, of course, a bunch of other decent to good years). I'd guess you'd need a 7-year VsX estimate of 90 and other good to great years to be a guaranteed inductee. For defensemen, I would guess that the number of end-of-year All-Star Team selections would be a better guess for induction purposes than raw points.
