Gostisbehere Vs Rielly

[zeke]

Still no good way to measure QoC. Looking at toiqoc with relative stats can lead somewhere, but you can't really use it to directly compare players. There hasn't been enough discussion here about the holes of the metric. On its own, toiqoc is worthless

ZS used to be the rage here, but it turned out that it doesn't indicate usage or performance particularly well.

TOIqoc is a great metric, imo. You're looking at 31 different coaches estimation of who their best players are. Even if some players get over pr underrated by some coaches, oveeall i can't see it being too misleading.

ZS% is very important too - but the thing is, unlile qoc, we already have good adjustments for zone starts. Once you click "adjust" on corsica, for example, you no longer have to worry about looking at zone starts. it's already accounted for.

 

[whitstifier]

TOIqoc is a great metric, imo. You're looking at 31 different coaches estimation of who their best players are. Even if some players get over pr underrated by some coaches, oveeall i can't see it being too misleading.

ZS% is very important too - but the thing is, unlile qoc, we already have good adjustments for zone starts. Once you click "adjust" on corsica, for example, you no longer have to worry about looking at zone starts. it's already accounted for.

TOIqoc fails with forwards. Somewhat useful with D, but still a bad measure of QoC overall. As a basis of direct comparison, it sucks.

ZS don't reflect usage or performance with much accuracy. It's not a helpful stat.

 

[zeke]

TOIqoc fails with forwards. Somewhat useful with D, but still a bad measure of QoC overall. As a basis of direct comparison, it sucks.

I don't get it. Look at ice time distribution around the league - are you really going to say it's a leaguewide trend that bad players are getting more icetime than good ones?

 

[sansabri]

It's pretty close, guys.

 

[whitstifier]

I don't get it. Look at ice time distribution around the league - are you really going to say it's a leaguewide trend that bad players are getting less icetime than good ones?

Depends on team depth and coaching decisions. Better players usually get more minutes.

 

[Adtar02]

Depends on team depth and coaching decisions. Better players usually get more minutes.

as well as team make up. Its very subjective hence best to use to compare across same team do to so many variables. Zone starts is awesome but the adjusts are wildly over blown. they are not accurate enough as of yet. The amount up or down is too high. While the extremes you notice bigger differences closer to the middle doesn't. and they track them differently. you have on the fly d zone O zone and Neutral Zone.. are all being used or not. that why its good to help paint a picture but not define the picture.

 

[Drytoast]

Random player A vs someone on the Leafs.

I love these threads!

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Is this a jinx thread for Ghost? In the 6 games since it was created....

6 GP 0 Goals 0 Assists 0 Points -5

 

[zeke]

I for one am shocked that a steady dose of tougher matchups has hurt his superficial stats.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Is this a jinx thread for Ghost? In the 6 games since it was created....

6 GP 0 Goals 0 Assists 0 Points -5

He's just not as good as Rielly. No crime in that. Just the way it is.

 

[Adtar02]

I for one am shocked that a steady dose of tougher matchups has hurt his superficial stats.

Just like Rielly going -3 against the sabers. Colored me shocked he can handle the easy teams either lol

 

[StoneHands]

Is this a jinx thread for Ghost? In the 6 games since it was created....

6 GP 0 Goals 0 Assists 0 Points -5

Maybe if Ghost goes pointless the rest of the season Rielly will have an outside chance at catching him! Ghost is trying his best to be as bad in his own end as Rielly but unfortunately Rielly is also a -5 since the thread opened so he's not making up any ground. He's now a -6 which is quite impressive given the fact that no other regular Leafs defender is worse than a +5. He plays tough minutes so regardless of how he performs, that's all that matters.

 

[whitstifier]

I for one am shocked that a steady dose of tougher matchups has hurt his superficial stats.

Tougher matchups? He's been getting the same matchups for the past 30ish games.

ToiQoc still sucks

 

[zeke]

Tougher matchups? He's been getting the same matchups for the past 30ish games.

ToiQoc still sucks

ES TOIqoc + ES possession and p60 always told us that Couts was awesome, btw.

 

[whitstifier]

ES TOIqoc + ES possession and p60 always told us that Couts was awesome, btw.

Timequack

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Ghost. Rielly has struggled this year. I'm not sure what's going on with him as he was really impressive last year.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

I for one am shocked that a steady dose of tougher matchups has hurt his superficial stats.

I for one, am not.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Ghost. Rielly has struggled this year. I'm not sure what's going on with him as he was really impressive last year.

Rielly has really not struggled this year. It's the best he's ever looked

 

[MorgantiDrinksBlood]

I don’t think the gap is anywhere near people are making it out to be, but Ghost is better. That’s it. No need to crush the other player. I’d f***ing love to have Reilly in philly, really good dman, Ghost has just been a monster this year.

 

[MorgantiDrinksBlood]

ES TOIqoc + ES possession and p60 always told us that Couts was awesome, btw.

There wasn’t a single non flyers fan on this board that didn’t say Coots was “more than a 3rd line C” “never hit 40 points”. Come on lol

 

[Kelly]

Ghost. Rielly has struggled this year. I'm not sure what's going on with him as he was really impressive last year.

Uhhhhh, this is very incorrect.

Clearly you don't watch the Leafs at all, and not really surprising when I read the username.

 

[Tripod]

I don’t think the gap is anywhere near people are making it out to be, but Ghost is better. That’s it. No need to crush the other player. I’d ****ing love to have Reilly in philly, really good dman, Ghost has just been a monster this year.

Yeah nothing wrong with Rielly. He would be great on the Flyers 2nd pairing.

 

[zeke]

There wasn’t a single non flyers fan on this board that didn’t say Coots was “more than a 3rd line C” “never hit 40 points”. Come on lol

Again, his ES stats and qualcomp always told us he was excellent, even though many other players "pulled a ghost" and put up gaudier numbers in much softer usage and with much more PP time.

 

[zeke]

I don’t think the gap is anywhere near people are making it out to be, but Ghost is better. That’s it. No need to crush the other player. I’d ****ing love to have Reilly in philly, really good dman, Ghost has just been a monster this year.

Again, Rielly puts up better numbers against much much tougher competition.

The gap is quite large - Rielly is much better.

 

[Cotton]

It’s Rielly, it isn’t close. Ghost puts up more points but would never be slotted above him on any team, or put on the ice to protect a lead, kill penalties, or pretty much do anything beyond what he currently does. And what he does has value, but much like Shattenkirk he’s a specialist who’s best served being sheltered.