George McPhee an awful GM

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

Why did Vegas even appoint him as their GM?

He failed to surround Ovechkin and Backstrom with a great team. He panicked and traded a bluechip prospect in Filip Forsberg for an old declining meh player in Erat just to try to save his ass.

He said **** our future, gonna trade a potential star just so i might stick around here. Selfish as **** and dumb.


He took Haula + Tuch when he had the upperhand vs Minnesota. Dumba could've been Vegas's player by now.

He overplayed his hand and trade Methot for a 2nd round pick in 2020 and a goalie drafted in the 7th round. That goalie, if he makes it is, is a long way from doing anything for them. A 2nd in 2020, damn... well that may or may not be a bust. Either way that pick will most likely not be on the team before the 2022-2023 season..

He could've kept Methot and flipped him @ the trade deadline for +1st rounder... dumb trade.

Sbisa, Emelin etc were real bad picks, but he'll retain and dump them @ the deadline this season for some mid-late picks in 2020 or something.


All in all i feel like McPhee isn't the right person, he's not competent enough IMHO.


What do Vegas fans and fans of other teams feel towards him and his decisions so far?

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[powerstuck]

Why did Vegas even appoint him as their GM?

He failed to surround Ovechkin and Backstrom with a great team. He panicked and traded a bluechip prospect in Filip Forsberg for an old declining meh player in Erat just to try to save his ass.

He said **** our future, gonna trade a potential star just so i might stick around here. Selfish as **** and dumb.


He took Haula + Tuch when he had the upperhand vs Minnesota. Dumba could've been Vegas's player by now.

He overplayed his hand and trade Methot for a 2nd round pick in 2020 and a goalie drafted in the 7th round. That goalie, if he makes it is, is a long way from doing anything for them. A 2nd in 2020, damn... well that may or may not be a bust. Either way that pick will most likely not be on the team before the 2022-2023 season..

He could've kept Methot and flipped him @ the trade deadline for +1st rounder... dumb trade.

Sbisa, Emelin etc were real had picks, but he'll retain and dump them @ the deadline this season for some mid-late picks in 2020 or something.


All in all i feel like McPhee isn't the right person, he's not competent enough IMHO.


What do Vegas and fans of other teams feel towards him and his decisions so far?

A) The bolded : Do you REALLY believe Dumba would have been available if there was no deal in place to take Haula ? Do you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe so ? How hard of a concept is that to understand ?

As for the general taught. Can you let the team play at least a few dozens of games before making a judgment call ?

I mean like even today the team exists on paper. The roster is far from being complete. Some of best teams and even cup winners didn't always look magnificent on paper (think about 2011-12 Kings).

You also don't understand that there is 30 teams that have at least 20-30 players in the system that are being developed. Of course some of them will never make the league, but still they are there as assets for trades and those that do flower will move into the regular squad eventually. I hope you also understand that prior to the 2017 Draft, Vegas HAD ZERO SUCH PLAYERS. Yes 2020 is far away, but it's also building the future of the team.

 

[jw2]

Oh well.

 

[IranCondraAffair]

I would hire him as my chief amateur scout, but I'd never give him authority to make trades.

I think he'll do wonders for LVK in 10 years. As it stands, he should have just let GMs make deals in the very tight timeline they had and avoided any protection deals. There were very limited protection slots and the expansion rules also guaranteed a better selection of players just because of NMCs and slots. Eventually there would have been some better players left open and he could have gotten some better assets.

He also misplayed his hand with some teams compared to others. Methot is a great example. If his value evaluation was so great, why did he ask for so much from Ottawa for protection, and then settle for less?

 

[tarheelhockey]

The way he has constructed that team is honestly shocking to me. The NHL laid out a set of rules that gave him a good chance to skip the "terrible expansion team" phase. And even until the day of the draft, it looked like he had done a great job of maneuvering assets to get a lot of bang for his buck.

Then he started calling names, and ever since then it's been downhill. I can understand passing up good players to position himself for the future, but he's collecting 5ths and ECHL-level prospects. It's bizarre.

 

[Edmonton East]

He's tanking. I don't know why so many people are surprised by this.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

A) The bolded : Do you REALLY believe Dumba would have been available if there was no deal in place to take Haula ? Do you REALLY REALLY REALLY believe so ? How hard of a concept is that to understand ?

As for the general taught. Can you let the team play at least a few dozens of games before making a judgment call ?

I mean like even today the team exists on paper. The roster is far from being complete. Some of best teams and even cup winners didn't always look magnificent on paper (think about 2011-12 Kings).

You also don't understand that there is 30 teams that have at least 20-30 players in the system that are being developed. Of course some of them will never make the league, but still they are there as assets for trades and those that do flower will move into the regular squad eventually. I hope you also understand that prior to the 2017 Draft, Vegas HAD ZERO SUCH PLAYERS. Yes 2020 is far away, but it's also building the future of the team.

Yes, Dumba or Scandella would've been available, no doubt. They wouldn't have found a team to trade both too. Ask Minnesota fans yourself.

You're theory applies to Anaheim... not Minnesota.


Dude, look at that ****** assembled team, Neal will get moved before/at the latest at the deadline.

They picked 1 billion meh D-men with expiring contracts, it's obvious he's gonna flip them with retention for picks...

That team won't sign all the best UFA's, so yeah... they won't be that good this season.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The way he has constructed that team is honestly shocking to me. The NHL laid out a set of rules that gave him a good chance to skip the "terrible expansion team" phase. And even until the day of the draft, it looked like he had done a great job of maneuvering assets to get a lot of bang for his buck.

Then he started calling names, and ever since then it's been downhill. I can understand passing up good players to position himself for the future, but he's collecting 5ths and ECHL-level prospects. It's bizarre.

Yea I feel the exact same way.

That said, I think he had a decent 2017 draft

 

[BB88]

Vegas has by far the worst team in the league and I'm surprised how little future assets they got for icing team that abysmal.

Methot trade is another weak trade, I was just saying that why didn't he pick Raanta/Grubauer and sell them or keep as future potential starters. They have so few valuable pieces on the roster left and just 1 2018 1st rounder, 1 2nd round pick and 0 3rd round picks.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

The way he has constructed that team is honestly shocking to me. The NHL laid out a set of rules that gave him a good chance to skip the "terrible expansion team" phase. And even until the day of the draft, it looked like he had done a great job of maneuvering assets to get a lot of bang for his buck.

Then he started calling names, and ever since then it's been downhill. I can understand passing up good players to position himself for the future, but he's collecting 5ths and ECHL-level prospects. It's bizarre.

Agreed. He could've tanked and picked up some good young players. Instead he went all out tank.

 

[OLUSAF]

I don't agree with all of the moves and choices McPhee has made but I feel like he is succeeding with a plan to aquire as many assets as possible.

I would think that it was vegas strategy to aquire high picks in this years draft and then defer most other picks that they aquire to later years. This would give the organization and scouting staff to develop hopefully in time to make picks in the 2019 and 2020 drafts.

Seems like a decent strategy.

I don't think he's the best GM in the league but I think the negativity is being overblown.

 

[syc]

I would hire him as my chief amateur scout, but I'd never give him authority to make trades.

I think he'll do wonders for LVK in 10 years. As it stands, he should have just let GMs make deals in the very tight timeline they had and avoided any protection deals. There were very limited protection slots and the expansion rules also guaranteed a better selection of players just because of NMCs and slots. Eventually there would have been some better players left open and he could have gotten some better assets.

He also misplayed his hand with some teams compared to others. Methot is a great example. If his value evaluation was so great, why did he ask for so much from Ottawa for protection, and then settle for less?

Did lv hire the old caps scouting team? Do people seriously think gms make the choice for picks based on the few games they watched over what their expert scouts tell them. Maybe I'm crazy but I'll bet when he was gm of the caps he was drafting based on info/lists his scouting dept gave him.

Ken holland and Detroit are the perfect example of this. Hes not hitting home runs draft after draft anymore because the wings lost those scouts over time to other teams.

 

[Styles]

Did you really think that they were going to be some great team this year? I agree they could have iced a more competitive roster, but in the long term GMGM has set the team up with a lot of future assets. The window for Vegas to be competitive is 3-5 years. In which most of the guys they picked in this years draft will be full time NHL players. As bad as it sounds it is better just to tank right out of the gate for 1-2 years. Get your high first round picks and start figuring out what your team identity is and try to add to it in free agency and trade.

 

[Number 57]

Man some of you don't have a fricking clue.

Vegas is in great shape and they won't be as bad as people think this year. Shipachev, Perron, Marchessault, Neal, Fleury, Eakin, Garrison, Smith, Theodore is a better core than a lot of tanking teams from recent years (EDM, ARZ, COL, TOR, BUF). They will also sign free agents and possibly bring in one of Gusev or Dadonov. They will be plenty competitive until the trade deadline, where they will unload some vets, as they should.

They drafted 4 quality prospects at the draft + added a lot of other prospects and tons of draft picks, with more on the way. What they need to do is collect draft picks and prospects.

McPhee is doing a good job, and no, Vegas won't be part of the playoffs in the next 3 years and that's just fine. But we will bring up all these threads in a couple of years when Vegas is a young power house with a lot of depth, and it will be funny to see all these clueless posts bashing McPhee!

 

[IranCondraAffair]

Did lv hire the old caps scouting team? Do people seriously think gms make the choice for picks based on the few games they watched over what their expert scouts tell them. Maybe I'm crazy but I'll bet when he was gm of the caps he was drafting based on info/lists his scouting dept gave him.

Ken holland and Detroit are the perfect example of this. Hes not hitting home runs draft after draft anymore because the wings lost those scouts over time to other teams.

Fair point. Ottawa used to find a lot late guys in the mid 90's, lost a bunch of scouts, went through a dry spell, and then bounced back with a new staff.

A good GM/president will be able to find and hire good scouts though too.

 

[BB88]

I don't agree with all of the moves and choices McPhee has made but I feel like he is succeeding with a plan to aquire as many assets as possible.

I would think that it was vegas strategy to aquire high picks in this years draft and then defer most other picks that they aquire to later years. This would give the organization and scouting staff to develop hopefully in time to make picks in the 2019 and 2020 drafts.

Seems like a decent strategy.

I don't think he's the best GM in the league but I think the negativity is being overblown.

I disagree with that, when you draft garbage players from expansion draft it's difficult to acquire quality assets.
2018 is said to be a great team and they have no extra picks for that year, and have lost their own 3rd rounder.

They have 0 top4 D-men on the roster.

Man some of you don't have a fricking clue.

Vegas is in great shape and they won't be as bad as people think this year. Shipachev, Perron, Marchessault, Neal, Fleury, Eakin, Garrison, Smith, Theodore is a better core than a lot of tanking teams from recent years (EDM, ARZ, COL, TOR, BUF). They will also sign free agents and possibly bring in one of Gusev or Dadonov. They will be plenty competitive until the trade deadline, where they will unload some vets, as they should.

They drafted 4 quality prospects at the draft + added a lot of other prospects and tons of draft picks, with more on the way. What they need to do is collect draft picks and prospects.

McPhee is doing a good job, and no, Vegas won't be part of the playoffs in the next 3 years and that's just fine. But we will bring up all these threads in a couple of years when Vegas is a young power house with a lot of depth, and it will be funny to see all these clueless posts bashing McPhee!

That core is pure garbage, and something that will keep them down for a long time.

I also can't understand why a 28y Dadonov would sign a team this bad. There are other teams after him.

 

[Woodrow]

To me it seems like he played nice with the other GMs/teams instead of really leveraging the position he was in.

 

[elmaco]

^Yeah, seems like he doesn't have the balls to do what it takes.

 

[KCC]

I disagree with that, when you draft garbage players from expansion draft it's difficult to acquire quality assets.
2018 is said to be a great team and they have no extra picks for that year, and have lost their own 3rd rounder.

They have 0 top4 D-men on the roster.



That core is pure garbage, and something that will keep them down for a long time.

I also can't understand why a 28y Dadonov would sign a team this bad. There are other teams after him.

It was going to be bad no matter who he chose and you know it. McPhee chose some decent players all things considered but for the most part is stocking up on anything he can for the future. Personally I think some ppl are overreacting.

 

[tarheelhockey]

He's tanking. I don't know why so many people are surprised by this.

It just seems like an over-tank. The worst rosters in the league look significantly better than what Vegas has right now.

It would make sense if the league hadn't evened out the lottery odds. And maybe it would make sense if there were a robust free agent market. But as it stands, you can't pass up opportunities to acquire quality players... it's too hard for those opportunities to come back around.

McPhee is taking an awful risk on his ability to draw talent out of the draft. There's a good chance that Vegas is BY FAR the worst team in the league for the next 5 years with no young franchise player to show for it.

 

[Drake744]

To me it seems like he played nice with the other GMs/teams instead of really leveraging the position he was in.

Not with David Poile. But then again McPhee probably has his number blocked.

I was willing to give him some benefit of the doubt but the Methot trade was a head scratcher.

 

[ICanMotteBelieveIt]

To me it seems like he played nice with the other GMs/teams instead of really leveraging the position he was in.

Agreed. Kind of the way they do when they don't offersheet someone. Everyone tries to play nice.

 

[Woodrow]

It just seems like an over-tank. The worst rosters in the league look significantly better than what Vegas has right now.

It would make sense if the league hadn't evened out the lottery odds. And maybe it would make sense if there were a robust free agent market. But as it stands, you can't pass up opportunities to acquire quality players... it's too hard for those opportunities to come back around.

McPhee is taking an awful risk on his ability to draw talent out of the draft. There's a good chance that Vegas is BY FAR the worst team in the league for the next 5 years with no young franchise player to show for it.

And having Vegas be that bad for that long is exactly what the NHL was trying to avoid.

 

[The Grim Reaper]

I think it's pretty clear that he wants to draft a couple #1 OA.

 

[nape]

I'm not educated on upcoming prospects. Are there any generational talents coming up that are worth tanking for?