TV: Game of Thrones | Season 8 (Final) | Part IX -TV talk ONLY -NO Books, Spoilers, NO LEAKS

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When I found out there would be no GoT this year I figured it would be a good time to re-watch the whole series. I've been trying to avoid watching more than 2 or 3 episodes a week to stretch it out. Last night after the games, I landed on season 3 ep.9. Yeah that one. Even though I knew what was coming, I was still stressed out in anticipation. :laugh: Just goes to show what a great series this is, even after the first viewing it still impresses.
I've watched it all probably 4 times and will just watch a random episode as a movie so to speak.Never fails I always pick up something new.The show is brilliant.
 

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Hard to use Bran as a mistake moreso than crappy writing, considering Bran points out the very likelihood something is up with his "Chaos is a ladder" statement, which seems to indicate he knows or could easily know about Littlefinger's plot to betray his father. But Bran doesn't tell anyone on screen about this supposed knowledge, allows Littlefinger the time to potentially run away (and it is never known whether Littlefinger tries to do so because we never see it), and his involvement is completely ignored until the final episode where he says "oh yeah I knew all along."
I doubt Brans mind works like that anymore.
Time for littlefinger to escape wouldn't enter the equation,Bran seems to be in no rush to tell Jon he is not a basterd.Bran is nothing but a device.
 

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Bran probably had more to do with it.He sees all.
This is how they should have done it.

Littlefinger was just the best at playing these games, and it would have kept on working... but he didn't account on Bran being able to see all.

Instead, it looks like it was more Arya and Sansa just outsmarting him. Which seems anticlimactic and unreasonable.
 
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Exactly. I get the aspect of LF being undone by his own arrogance, but not by Arya and Sansa. It just seemed like a really weak way to conclude his story.
 

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This Littlefinger talk is making me realize how much easier it was watching the show when you already had everything from the books tucked in the back of your head. I was going to say what the heck was Littlefinger doing trying to 'pointlessly' play Sansa against Arya like he did Sansa against Jon. Since where Jon being named King of the North essentially stole Sansa's spot as Lady of Winterfell that made sense, but Arya would have no such ambition and rather if you cultivate loyalty would be an amazing tool to have on your side.

But then I realized the whole point of the thing... Arya was a 'threat' because she'd be loyal to Jon first. I still wasn't impressed with the whole ordeal while watching it, but I have to be careful with what I say here as I don't know the stuff nearly as well as I used to!
 

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Exactly. I get the aspect of LF being undone by his own arrogance, but not by Arya and Sansa. It just seemed like a really weak way to conclude his story.
I thought LF would try to pull off one last big plot, whether to turn Jon and Daenerys against each other or try to use the white walker invasion to his advantage and then in the process see his end. I think they could have done much more with him. The build up in the earlier seasons with Varys saying that LF would see the country burn "if he could be king of the ashes" was a great line to describe what could have been with his character. It's like D&D didn't want to flesh him out any longer and just found a way to kill him off.
 

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While watching this series one of my favorite people is the Hound.
Not because of his great lines but he puts himself out as a heartless killing machine ( which he is) but also a man who cares about either women or children.Maybe just the Stark girls idk?
He has done more to protect the Stark girls than Breanne of f***ing Tarth has and she is the one who gave an oath to protect both.
You have to think by now he is off Aryas list. He looked happy to hear Arya was back in Winterfell and alive for that matter.
 
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While watching this series one of my favorite people is the Hound.
Not because of his great lines but he puts himself out as a heartless killing machine ( which he is) but also a man who cares about either women or children.Maybe just the Stark girls idk?
He has done more to protect the Stark girls than Breanne of ****ing Tarth has and she is the one who gave an oath to protect both.
You have to think by now he is off Aryas list. He looked happy to hear Arya was back in Winterfell and alive for that matter.

He's my favorite character of the show for many reasons. His lines are amazing and funny but he's also one of the most complex characters for the reasons you mentionned. He has great redeeming qualities.
 

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I thought LF would try to pull off one last big plot, whether to turn Jon and Daenerys against each other or try to use the white walker invasion to his advantage and then in the process see his end. I think they could have done much more with him. The build up in the earlier seasons with Varys saying that LF would see the country burn "if he could be king of the ashes" was a great line to describe what could have been with his character. It's like D&D didn't want to flesh him out any longer and just found a way to kill him off.

This show (and the books) has been giving hints of Jon and Daenery's coming together from almost the beginning so that was always going to end LF at some point. Maybe he will have a more dignified end in the books but his mistake was falling for Sansa - but I bet something similar will happen as his obsession with Catelyn/Sansa was always likley to be his downfall. With the pieces that are on the board at this time I don't see how he could possibly have come out ahead while being with Sansa (outside of some cartoon assassinate all the other players plot). If he wanted to be King he would have been smarter to pursue Dany or Cersei with a political marriage. Dany falls for Jon but she leaves Essos fully expecting to having to make a political marriage. Because even if Sansa would have accepted him as her husband the North/Vale combo isn't strong enough to take the Iron Throne - especially with the WW at the wall.
 

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Yeah the Hound is in my top 3 characters no doubt. Cant really say I have a favorite definitively but the Hound is definitely in that top tier.

The character development and path he has taken throughout the series has been amazing. Especially after having re-watched the first few seasons now too long ago and seeing the character he was when he was with the Kingsguard to his journey across Westeros with Arya and finally him now being all in on the fight against the dead...


It's been an amazing arch. Between him, Tyrion, and Jamie I dont think I could pick a true favorite character as all 3 are some damn awesome.
 
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Just finished season 7. I'm currently going through audio version of the Clash of Kings. Big fan of the show and the novels.

I thought this theory was far too tasty not to share:



I think it may actually be true!


It's a solid theory. His death was one of the more poorer ones in the series and I personally would love if he pulled that off. Which seems like a real possibility considering Littlefinger is probably the best at squirming away from danger in the entire realm. Absolutely think he deserves to get killed, but the way it happened was anti-climatic. Hope he makes a return in season 8.
 
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The more I think about it, the more I believe Gilly's baby is what the Night King is after

I don't think so. I think he's after Bran first and foremost. If he's not simply just after total world domination that is. I bet the bigger plan is to turn everyone but I feel that Bran is important to NK.
 

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Exactly. I get the aspect of LF being undone by his own arrogance, but not by Arya and Sansa. It just seemed like a really weak way to conclude his story.

Well, Arya is the most badass killer in the show. Her killing LF is more than appropriate. The way he died was pretty underwhelming for a character of his magnitude. But Arya killing him is not simply a teenaged girl killing a grown man.
 

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Too bad The Mountain is going to rip his spine out...

I'll be floored if Arya doesn't kill The Mountain and do so with relative ease. She's going to kill him in front of Cersei and we'll see her confidence shattering in to pieces after Arya walks over the corpse of what once was called The Mountain That Rides to confront Cersei.
 

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Started rewatching season 7 today. I forgot how much I truly love this show.


And yeah The Hound is easily my favorite character. His arc from the start of season 1 to the end of season seven. His path to retribution is just amazing.
 

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While watching this series one of my favorite people is the Hound.
Not because of his great lines but he puts himself out as a heartless killing machine ( which he is) but also a man who cares about either women or children.Maybe just the Stark girls idk?
He has done more to protect the Stark girls than Breanne of ****ing Tarth has and she is the one who gave an oath to protect both.
You have to think by now he is off Aryas list. He looked happy to hear Arya was back in Winterfell and alive for that matter.

One of the big overarching dynamics in GoT is the idea of a “true knight”.

This plays out primarily in two pairs of characters:

Brienne of Tarth and Jamie Lannister
- Brienne’s sole dream in life is to live as a true knight, but by chance of birth she can never become one. When we meet her at the tourney, she impossibly achieves the pinnacle of the knightly lifestyle — defeating the Knight of Flowers in single combs and being appointed to her king’s personal guard — but that achievement is torn from her when Renly dies. From that point forward, she is searching the world for a path to redemption.
- Jamie is born directly into the knightly life, as the eldest son of a highborn lord and a naturally athletic specimen. When we meet him, he is already a knight of the Kingsguard and soon to be Lord Commander, the highest rank achievable. But every decision he makes is un-knightly — he kills his king, fathers children on his sister, tries to murder a child, and is generally the opposite of a “true knight”.

When these two are united, they are foils for each other’s idea of knighthood. Yet Jamie’s first truly knightly act is to... save Brienne. That costs him the one thing that ostensibly made him a knight: his fighting ability. From that point forward, he gradually becomes more and more like Brienne. He grows to oppose his sister, rescues Brienne, saves Tyrion, and fights (albeit on the wrong side) in the interest of saving Westeros. Gradually he is becoming one of the most “knightly” of all characters, even though the rest of the world now views him in the reverse, a once respectable knight who has fallen from grace.

The other pairing:
Sansa Stark and Sandor Clegane:
- To begin the story, Sansa is hopelessly naive and understands the world in terms of stories and songs. The code of chivalry is so heavily embedded into her, that she is easily manipulated by the likes of Cersei Lannister and Petyr Baelish. She has no idea that she is “playing the game”, and her naïveté leads directly to the death of Lady, then her father, then Dontos, then Lysa. It’s only after her retreat to the Eyrie, the impregnable fortress in the sky where nothing there is neither danger nor love, that we see her change into a more worldly woman. When she descends from the Vale, she has transformed into a player capable of destroying even Baelish.
- Clegane is, much like Jaime, the antithesis of a knight. He is cruel and brutal, and has no concern for honor. Like Jaime, he ascends to a high position in the king’s personal guard because of his willingness to obey dishonorably. When King’s Landing is under attack, he breaks even what little honor he has left by abandoning his duty. But we see something softer underneath that brutality, when he interacts with Sansa. He seems to view her innocence with a mix of contempt and protectiveness; he keeps her from harm and seems earnest when he asks her for a song (remember what’s in the songs — ideal chivalry). When he leaves her, it’s with a message of warning about the brutal ways of the world, sending her on the path to maturity. And of course, he in turn runs right into Arya, Sansa’s own foil, who will in turn “kill” him and set him on the path to redemption.
 
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One of the big overarching dynamics in GoT is the idea of a “true knight”.

This plays out primarily in two pairs of characters:

Brienne of Tarth and Jamie Lannister
- Brienne’s sole dream in life is to live as a true knight, but by chance of birth she can never become one. When we meet her at the tourney, she impossibly achieves the pinnacle of the knightly lifestyle — defeating the Knight of Flowers in single combs and being appointed to her king’s personal guard — but that achievement is torn from her when Renly dies. From that point forward, she is searching the world for a path to redemption.
- Jamie is born directly into the knightly life, as the eldest son of a highborn lord and a naturally athletic specimen. When we meet him, he is already a knight of the Kingsguard and soon to be Lord Commander, the highest rank achievable. But every decision he makes is un-knightly — he kills his king, fathers children on his sister, tries to murder a child, and is generally the opposite of a “true knight”.

When these two are united, they are foils for each other’s idea of knighthood. Yet Jamie’s first truly knightly act is to... save Brienne. That costs him the one thing that ostensibly made him a knight: his fighting ability. From that point forward, he gradually becomes more and more like Brienne. He grows to oppose his sister, rescues Brienne, saves Tyrion, and fights (albeit on the wrong side) in the interest of saving Westeros. Gradually he is becoming one of the most “knightly” of all characters, even though the rest of the world now views him in the reverse, a once respectable knight who has fallen from grace.

The other pairing:
Sansa Stark and Sandor Clegane:
- To begin the story, Sansa is hopelessly naive and understands the world in terms of stories and songs. The code of chivalry is so heavily embedded into her, that she is easily manipulated by the likes of Cersei Lannister and Petyr Baelish. She has no idea that she is “playing the game”, and her naïveté leads directly to the death of Lady, then her father, then Dontos, then Lysa. It’s only after her retreat to the Eyrie, the impregnable fortress in the sky where nothing there is neither danger nor love, that we see her change into a more worldly woman. When she descends from the Vale, she has transformed into a player capable of destroying even Baelish.
- Clegane is, much like Jaime, the antithesis of a knight. He is cruel and brutal, and has no concern for honor. Like Jaime, he ascends to a high position in the king’s personal guard because of his willingness to obey dishonorably. When King’s Landing is under attack, he breaks even what little honor he has left by abandoning his duty. But we see something softer underneath that brutality, when he interacts with Sansa. He seems to view her innocence with a mix of contempt and protectiveness; he keeps her from harm and seems earnest when he asks her for a song (remember what’s in the songs — ideal chivalry). When he leaves her, it’s with a message of warning about the brutal ways of the world, sending her on the path to maturity. And of course, he in turn runs right into Arya, Sansa’s own foil, who will in turn “kill” him and set him on the path to redemption.
Well said ,excellent post.
 
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