TheAngryHank
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Bran probably had more to do with it.He sees all.His death is one of the more disappointing things in the show IMHO. A mastermind shouldn't be gotten the best of by two teenage girls.
Bran probably had more to do with it.He sees all.His death is one of the more disappointing things in the show IMHO. A mastermind shouldn't be gotten the best of by two teenage girls.
I've watched it all probably 4 times and will just watch a random episode as a movie so to speak.Never fails I always pick up something new.The show is brilliant.When I found out there would be no GoT this year I figured it would be a good time to re-watch the whole series. I've been trying to avoid watching more than 2 or 3 episodes a week to stretch it out. Last night after the games, I landed on season 3 ep.9. Yeah that one. Even though I knew what was coming, I was still stressed out in anticipation. Just goes to show what a great series this is, even after the first viewing it still impresses.
I doubt Brans mind works like that anymore.Hard to use Bran as a mistake moreso than crappy writing, considering Bran points out the very likelihood something is up with his "Chaos is a ladder" statement, which seems to indicate he knows or could easily know about Littlefinger's plot to betray his father. But Bran doesn't tell anyone on screen about this supposed knowledge, allows Littlefinger the time to potentially run away (and it is never known whether Littlefinger tries to do so because we never see it), and his involvement is completely ignored until the final episode where he says "oh yeah I knew all along."
This is how they should have done it.Bran probably had more to do with it.He sees all.
I thought LF would try to pull off one last big plot, whether to turn Jon and Daenerys against each other or try to use the white walker invasion to his advantage and then in the process see his end. I think they could have done much more with him. The build up in the earlier seasons with Varys saying that LF would see the country burn "if he could be king of the ashes" was a great line to describe what could have been with his character. It's like D&D didn't want to flesh him out any longer and just found a way to kill him off.Exactly. I get the aspect of LF being undone by his own arrogance, but not by Arya and Sansa. It just seemed like a really weak way to conclude his story.
Interesting point. I can totally see her sparing/saving him at some point during the final seasonYou have to think by now he is off Aryas list. He looked happy to hear Arya was back in Winterfell and alive for that matter.
While watching this series one of my favorite people is the Hound.
Not because of his great lines but he puts himself out as a heartless killing machine ( which he is) but also a man who cares about either women or children.Maybe just the Stark girls idk?
He has done more to protect the Stark girls than Breanne of ****ing Tarth has and she is the one who gave an oath to protect both.
You have to think by now he is off Aryas list. He looked happy to hear Arya was back in Winterfell and alive for that matter.
I thought LF would try to pull off one last big plot, whether to turn Jon and Daenerys against each other or try to use the white walker invasion to his advantage and then in the process see his end. I think they could have done much more with him. The build up in the earlier seasons with Varys saying that LF would see the country burn "if he could be king of the ashes" was a great line to describe what could have been with his character. It's like D&D didn't want to flesh him out any longer and just found a way to kill him off.
The Red Dragon of Dorne killed him the first time ,Ayra will sort The Mountain out.Too bad The Mountain is going to rip his spine out...
I thought this theory was far too tasty not to share:
I think it may actually be true!
The more I think about it, the more I believe Gilly's baby is what the Night King is after
Exactly. I get the aspect of LF being undone by his own arrogance, but not by Arya and Sansa. It just seemed like a really weak way to conclude his story.
Too bad The Mountain is going to rip his spine out...
While watching this series one of my favorite people is the Hound.
Not because of his great lines but he puts himself out as a heartless killing machine ( which he is) but also a man who cares about either women or children.Maybe just the Stark girls idk?
He has done more to protect the Stark girls than Breanne of ****ing Tarth has and she is the one who gave an oath to protect both.
You have to think by now he is off Aryas list. He looked happy to hear Arya was back in Winterfell and alive for that matter.
Well said ,excellent post.One of the big overarching dynamics in GoT is the idea of a “true knight”.
This plays out primarily in two pairs of characters:
Brienne of Tarth and Jamie Lannister
- Brienne’s sole dream in life is to live as a true knight, but by chance of birth she can never become one. When we meet her at the tourney, she impossibly achieves the pinnacle of the knightly lifestyle — defeating the Knight of Flowers in single combs and being appointed to her king’s personal guard — but that achievement is torn from her when Renly dies. From that point forward, she is searching the world for a path to redemption.
- Jamie is born directly into the knightly life, as the eldest son of a highborn lord and a naturally athletic specimen. When we meet him, he is already a knight of the Kingsguard and soon to be Lord Commander, the highest rank achievable. But every decision he makes is un-knightly — he kills his king, fathers children on his sister, tries to murder a child, and is generally the opposite of a “true knight”.
When these two are united, they are foils for each other’s idea of knighthood. Yet Jamie’s first truly knightly act is to... save Brienne. That costs him the one thing that ostensibly made him a knight: his fighting ability. From that point forward, he gradually becomes more and more like Brienne. He grows to oppose his sister, rescues Brienne, saves Tyrion, and fights (albeit on the wrong side) in the interest of saving Westeros. Gradually he is becoming one of the most “knightly” of all characters, even though the rest of the world now views him in the reverse, a once respectable knight who has fallen from grace.
The other pairing:
Sansa Stark and Sandor Clegane:
- To begin the story, Sansa is hopelessly naive and understands the world in terms of stories and songs. The code of chivalry is so heavily embedded into her, that she is easily manipulated by the likes of Cersei Lannister and Petyr Baelish. She has no idea that she is “playing the game”, and her naïveté leads directly to the death of Lady, then her father, then Dontos, then Lysa. It’s only after her retreat to the Eyrie, the impregnable fortress in the sky where nothing there is neither danger nor love, that we see her change into a more worldly woman. When she descends from the Vale, she has transformed into a player capable of destroying even Baelish.
- Clegane is, much like Jaime, the antithesis of a knight. He is cruel and brutal, and has no concern for honor. Like Jaime, he ascends to a high position in the king’s personal guard because of his willingness to obey dishonorably. When King’s Landing is under attack, he breaks even what little honor he has left by abandoning his duty. But we see something softer underneath that brutality, when he interacts with Sansa. He seems to view her innocence with a mix of contempt and protectiveness; he keeps her from harm and seems earnest when he asks her for a song (remember what’s in the songs — ideal chivalry). When he leaves her, it’s with a message of warning about the brutal ways of the world, sending her on the path to maturity. And of course, he in turn runs right into Arya, Sansa’s own foil, who will in turn “kill” him and set him on the path to redemption.
When she descends from the Vale, she has transformed into a player capable of destroying even Baelish.