M2Beezy
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I didn't even notice him on the ice last night!
Ha! He didnt even play
Better off without him anyways
I didn't even notice him on the ice last night!
Who thought Burmistrov would push to be Horvat's competition rather than Virtanen/Boeser/Goldobin/etc.
Look forward to the return of difference maker Horvat.. sooner rather than later please..
That was the jokeHa! He didnt even play
Better off without him anyways
I wonder what it is about Horvats game that Green is not pleased about..?...I have noticed along with other posters here,tWho thought Burmistrov would push to be Horvat's competition rather than Virtanen/Boeser/Goldobin/etc.
Look forward to the return of difference maker Horvat.. sooner rather than later please..
I wonder what it is about Horvats game that Green is not happy about ?..Not using his line mates enough?...I have noticed that Bo is a bit predictable as he's entering the offensive zone ....usually deciding the toe drag,or electing to take the shot (As a Canuck,Ryan Kesler was guilty of trying to do it 'by himself')Who thought Burmistrov would push to be Horvat's competition rather than Virtanen/Boeser/Goldobin/etc.
Look forward to the return of difference maker Horvat.. sooner rather than later please..
That's not really sufficient to be indicative of anything, though. Hutton/Stecher didn't look awful/poor tonight like they did the last time Edler was in the lineup.Does anyone miss Edler either? I liked the defence better without him tonight.
I agree. Great first game. Just so so since.Yeah ... it's easy to forget that he also finished last year on a 17-game goal-less drought. Needs to be a lot better.
Insufficient doesnt began to describe it... the misuse and misunderstanding of how to to digest these numbers is incredible....
For starters... pairings need to be considered together... who did those 10 passes go to for Gudbranson? A forward? Hutton? Who got a thumbs up?
Numbers individually don't match the eye test. In pairings... closer. Next level is what lines were they backing?
Figure all that out and then you may have a legit stat
May want to look at who players get deployed against too. It's like people think this a beer league and everyone just moves closer to the gate as players go on the ice.
Sutter Gudbranson are almost solely being used against the other teams top line and in many defensive zone starts and PK roles.
Admittedly I've been working and haven't watched last night's game yet. Will tonight....I'll take your word. You're analysis is usually pretty spot on.Absolutely people should look at roles, and as an example that Stecher-Pouliot pair last night was ridiculously sheltered.
Gudbranson isn't being used in the shutdown role though. That's been whatever pairing Tanev is on from the first shift of the first game of the season, usually with the Sutter line up front. Gudbranson-Del Zotto and now Gudbranson-Hutton are playing regular 2nd pairing minutes.
I agree. Great first game. Just so so since.
Glad to see the twins had limited ice time in Ottawa. Didn't do anything.
Wonder how much rope green gives them before he takes away their offensive zone starts.
That's not really sufficient to be indicative of anything, though. Hutton/Stecher didn't look awful/poor tonight like they did the last time Edler was in the lineup.
Pretty much as expected, Gudbranson is terrible at moving the puck out of the zone.
But people like him because he was physical and good in the corners.
It's like one of those clear things where if you valued advanced stats you'd say Gudbranson is absolutely useless, and if you follow old-school hockey knowledge you'd think he was a good player. With the way the NHL is trending I would be desperately trying to trade Gudbranson to people who think he's good. Because todays NHL is moving in the direction of speed and quick transition hockey. It's the McDavid era, and you'll need speed speed speed. Guys like Hutton will come at a premium, just because of the way he transitions up the ice.
Also a big reason why I've been so quick to defend both Hutton and Stecher since they are young and they are good at transitioning the puck. We need that going forward.
Pretty much as expected, Gudbranson is terrible at moving the puck out of the zone.
But people like him because he was physical and good in the corners.
It's like one of those clear things where if you valued advanced stats you'd say Gudbranson is absolutely useless, and if you follow old-school hockey knowledge you'd think he was a good player. With the way the NHL is trending I would be desperately trying to trade Gudbranson to people who think he's good. Because todays NHL is moving in the direction of speed and quick transition hockey. It's the McDavid era, and you'll need speed speed speed. Guys like Hutton will come at a premium, just because of the way he transitions up the ice.
Also a big reason why I've been so quick to defend both Hutton and Stecher since they are young and they are good at transitioning the puck. We need that going forward.
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Despite your loyalty to the Comets i think everything you say here is pure conjecture, based on a diehard fans' hypotheticals.
Ha! He didnt even play
Better off without him anyways
Literally nothing gets by you.
I've been as hard as anyone on Derek Dorsett.....but he gets props from me for coming to aid of a teammate Burmistrov who almost had his head removed by Ottawa's tough guy Borowiecki......That response was missing from the lineup last year and have to concede that Dorsett brings it most nights.
I've been as hard as anyone on Derek Dorsett.....but he gets props from me for coming to aid of a teammate Burmistrov who almost had his head removed by Ottawa's tough guy Borowiecki......That response was missing from the lineup last year and have to concede that Dorsett brings it most nights.
Least he's entertaining, what do you add?
This may have worked last night since Hutton had such an excellent game and because it was their first game together with no pro scouting having been done on them.
I *guarantee* you that NHL pro scouting teams are looking at those stats and will figure out instantly that the only way the puck leaves the defensive zone is through Hutton, so will be double-teaming him on the forecheck to force turnovers or force Gudbranson to play the puck. Which is exactly what happened last year, and why that pairing ended up being shredded.
You can't get away with a defensive pairing in the NHL in 2017 where only one guy makes breakout passes or carries the puck.
Gudbranson occasionally has these games where he's bend-but-not-break defending 70% of the time and is 'noticeable' because he's breaking up some plays as a result, but he's really not a good player at all and will be exposed in the longer term.
Last time I checked Gudbranson was barely breaking 40% CF his CF%Rel was -15% I believe. Which is really bad. His zone transitions are the worst on the team.
Yet, people think he's been good this year. Boggles my mind. The main thing people point to is him playing physical and retrieving pucks, maybe it's something that advanced stats really hasn't picked up on. Or maybe it's just completely useless, that is yet to be found out. Although his overall game, in advanced stats terms, suggests that his ability to retrieve pucks doesn't impact the game that well.
If we want to play high-event fun hockey, the type of hockey where we can "push the pace" trading Gudbranson for a high event center or defenseman might be the best option. Because people seem to value his play.