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Yeah, it's something that deserves a more serious journalistic treatment, IMO. A bigger article with context, and where you'll give the player and the organization a chance to comment.

I think pretty much the only thing everybody will agree with here is that Mario Tremblay is not exactly a rocket scientist. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he barely noticed himself what he had just done. It's radio. Unlike TV it's a lot less scripted.

Not really a fan of live media in general. People are either babbling inanities or they're talking about the real stuff, but not the right way. I prefer that some real prep and real work goes into news.
What I think is either report it full out as a legitimate news story - or don't report it. Don't get into this TMZ nonsense of suggestions. It's not fair to the player or anyone. I differ from some of the previous comments in this thread where the suggestion is the story shouldn't be reported at all - I don't agree with that. I think there's a newsworthy aspect to all of this.

I'd also reiterate that my own understanding was from online articles (I'm not sure how it was reported on tv/radio - i'm really weak in understanding oral french from native french speakers - ironically, i find it easier to understand spoken french from native english speakers. weird, i know)
 

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I will try to restrain myself from having to explain just how offensive and at best, silly this post is. I can't believe this needs to be said, but comparing cancer to an addiction to wine is completely idiotic.

I don't know if the story is true. If it is, I am glad he's getting the help he needs. But please do not insult our intelligence and sick loved ones by comparing their deadly illnesses to a freaking addiction.


Its offensive to me as an alcoholic.
 

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well, what started as a Galchenyuk misused/mishandled discussion turned to alcoholism and rehab thanks to an article by Tremblay saying Galchenyuk has been treated twice for substance/alcohol abuse. That became a discussion about the causes of addiction and whether it is a disease or not and when someone said they have no sympathy for Galchenyuk or any rich young athlete if it's true. And whether or not Tremblay is a prick, a hypocrite and a *****ebag for revealing something that meant to be private (since stage 1 rehab program in the NHL is supposed to be confidential/anonymous, private and voluntary)

The part concerning Galchenyuk and his alleged substance problem is what I gathered from quick glances of the last 3-4 pages or so. So I could be off on some of the details but that's the gist of it.

TLDR, Galcenyuk should be a center because fans say stats say so. No He should be a winger because management knows best. He allegedly has a drinking problem. It's no ones business, it's everyone's business. It's a disease, no it's not.

Enjoy.
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www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-canadiens-alex-galchenyuk-first-line-centre-depth-line-winger/

Bringing back the discussion to actual hockey....

A very interesting read that affirms (through stats) what the majority of us already think and have stated. Galchenyuk is most productive at center and the decline in his offensive output started when he was placed on the wing.

Seems like the majority of fans and analysts are perplexed by Bergevin's actions and constant refusal to do what's best for Galchenyuk and the team.

It's no secret that he's been on the market and despite his 30-goal season from two years ago, it has seemed odd that someone so young and with that type of skill, would not be tempting enough for another team or at least not enough for them to pay what it takes to land him.

Now that the rehab story has surfaced (I'm not fully caught up but I understand he's been under the league's substance abuse program twice), is it safe to say that this has played a major part in teams being reticent about him? Can we even speculate that the alleged abuse played heavily in Bergevin's decision to attempt to trade him?

If any of the above has occurred, is it any wonder that he chose to sign an extension with the Habs rather than test the market sooner? Given all of this, we can forget a Galchenyuk trade this season, he'll need to show that he's past his personal situation. Which means if Bergevin is going to move a significant asset this year and actually look to get a substantive return, he'll have to look elsewhere.
 
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I think people know by know that I'm not Galchenyuk biggest fan, even if I believe that he is essential to the success of the team. I am happy that he got the help he needed to fight his demons. I do not care about what he was addicted to, I'd be concerned if it was some hard drug which wouldn't be that surprising because of his status in the city and his tendencies of being a party animal. The guy is young, rich and famous, it's only normal for him to go out and have fun for his age. Hopefully, all that is behind him and he can focus on being a professional and on hockey.

Hating on Tremblay for that isn't the thing to do imo, he did his job at reporting something relevant to the team and that may explain some things about Galchenyuk's performances or to the way Julien is handling him. I can't hate someone for giving us context that can explain the problems surrounding an important player. From what i learned in life, context is everything when you want to understand the dynamic of a situation. Maybe he should have acted with more class and keep the information to himself or only say that Galchenyuk had problem outside of the ice but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. Hopefully it's not something that really hurt his value around the league even if I think that it will.

Now I believe this bring us to an other problem (secondary to his health and willingness to get help for sure) and that problem is the fact that this young man wasn't enough of a professional and realize that he should have been more focused on his career. Addiction is a big problem and no one can deny it. I will not say that addiction come from weakness, even if it can start with a moment of weakness. The fact that he went for help is an indication of strenght and hopefully he can build on that to become better and stronger mentally.

My assessment of Galchenyuk is that he is weak mentally and some things you can only work on them if it starts by you. He may not be getting all the help he need from the coaching staff (even if most of his starts are in the offensive zone), he need to work on himself. Not everything in life can be granted because you have potential. I understand why Julien isn't putting on the first line, he need to earn it or other players around will lose respect for Julien. Galchenyuk has to step up and play better, success comes from within and no one can really help him achieve it other than him. The only person he has to blame for his lack of success is himself. Once he understand that He will be a hell of a player.

I do believe he should be tried at center or put in the best position to succeed, but there are other factors that some people aren't taking into account. Julien can't afford to lose the respect of his players or some feeling that they aren't treated at the level of effort they put. It would be an even bigger problem for the team.

At the end of the day, everuthing is in Galchenyuk hands. If he want to succeed it needs to come from within. Everybody here would like to see him do well because it would probably mean that the team is going well. I'm not sitting down and giving him an excuse for not being a professional, he worked hard to get where he is but that's only a part of the job. The other part is keep working hard to stay where you are and that's true in any area of life. Many are able to party and still understand that there is a time for everything in life. Others had moments of weakness and went through hell and they we're still able to stay away from that. That is real strenght and that is people who i will sympathize with because they we're dealt a hand of card and took advantage of it without having all the priviledges that Galchenyuk has.

I wish him luck for the rest and hope he can build on that. A healthy Galchenyuk is good for the team and for himself. Hopefully he can learn from that and become stronger without this situation affecting him much for the rest of the way he has infront of him. That was my 2 cents, I hope I didn't upset anyone because I don't sympathize with his situation.
 
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I feel for what you went through, I really do and your story touched me deeply. It definitely puts your investment on the subject in perspective as well.

But, you've been the main cause of the escalation from the very start

I generally do not concern myself with the "you started it" excuses. But if I must: this is simply not true. I very simply expressed in sadness (if the story is true) that I was disappointed in Galchenyuk. Which prompted someone to alcoholism to an evidently deadly disease like cancer. Considering your apparent bias, I do not expect you to be fair, but I would appreciate an honest account, nonetheless.

and the very first person who explicitally voiced being offended.

Sure. I absolutely find the equivalence of alcoholism to cancer offensive. But you see, that's okay. Others have expressed that my views offended them too. That's okay. People are entitlted to their offensive views, assuming of course that it isn't criminal or in this case, against the rules of this board. Our strong disagreements were okay.

But then some arrogant dude came in here calling for people to receive infractions for their views. Naturally, I was less than pleased.

All this stemming from a belief on your part from the fringe disagreeing on what's generally accepted and proven, at least for the moment. The evidence doesn't disappear because scientific dissension exists - thank god it does. But you're not part of it, you're a mouth piece at best, and you were terrible at it here. I mean the man you were citing (whom you mispelled) is a psychologist with literally no published research on the subject.


I have no issues admitting that I may not have communicated my thoughts in the best manner. In fact, I probably did. I also expressed my unwillingness to get into a debate here. There is much more that I haven't said because this isn't the place for it. Nevertheless, I try to maintain a posture of humility, and your words would be more appreciated if you too were at all interested in a humility. To dismiss my views as "fringe" or suggest that I'm a "mouth piece" and terrible at it, yet again, illustrates the arrogance of people like you. You're not nearly as wise or knowledgeable as you portray yourself to be. For what it's worth, I'm certainly no neuroscientist, but I've done extensive research on the matter for projects, research that included interviews with psychologists. Now, some of these psychologists take the view that alcoholism is a disease, but they are much wiser than comparing it to cancer. But I digress.

Listen, these debates are done on almost all psychiatric ilnesses aside from BD and schizophrenia... And even then theres a fringe against the biological implications... So what we're you hoping to gain from this ?

LOL. Spare me the lesson. Your arrogance is nauseating.

You opened that of worm, you escalated it, you didn't make your feelings on the subject clear - what were you expecting on a sensitive subject that touches so many people like this one ? You yourself have been just as emotional about it - and with reason... What you went through, jesus....

Your melodramatic diatribes are unconvincing dude, give it a rest. Some people are so full of themselves and their bias take on things they just can't imagine that others disagree with them. Look, some psychologists subscribe to your model of thinking (disease model of addiction), others subscribe to life-process model, including me, of course. That's fine, let's not pretend that I have committed a thought-crime.

I was actually going to suggest that we create a thread for this in the off-topic forum so we can talk about this at length, in the proper fashion with evidence and analysis, but since the thread could be full of arrogant, condescending diatribes like this, my goodness, never mind, dude.

I'm done with this topic.

Anyway, I hope Galchenyuk is getting the help he needs, if the story is true.
 
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I think people know by know that I'm not Galchenyuk biggest fan, even if I believe that he is essential to the success of the team. I am happy that he got the help he needed to fight his demons. ...Maybe he should have acted with more class and keep the information to himself or only say that Galchenyuk had problem outside of the ice ...

Your above comment reminded me of what another AC member mentioned when he was a guest on 91.9 FM a few months ago.

Guillaume Latendresse was talking about Galchenyuk when he mentioned that the latter had an alcohol problem. I had not heard or read any member of the mainstream media touch upon this until Latendresse. Of course, there was plenty of innuendo and unverified and or unverifiable accounts from gossip sports sites that don't need to be named and I when I happen upon them, I don't take them seriously.

Latendresse mentioned that he had information that Galchenyuk was at a club, where he became so wasted that he became disoriented and couldn't even stand up anymore. At this point, two individuals intervened to pick him up and escort him out of the club while his body was limp and his head was bobbing. I had posted about it here at the time but I remember one or two posters dismissing it as something that happens when a someone of Galchenyuk's age parties out. Turns out Tremblay wasn't the first from the mainstream media, to spill out info about Galchenyuk's excess alcoholism.

Regardless, I like many others here, hope Galchenyuk overcomes this, if he hasn't already and wish him well.
 

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Your above comment reminded me of what another AC member mentioned when he was a guest on 91.9 FM a few months ago.

Guillaume Latendresse was talking about Galchenyuk when he mentioned that the latter had an alcohol problem. I had not heard or read any member of the mainstream media touch upon this until Latendresse. Of course, there was plenty of innuendo and unverified and or unverifiable accounts from gossip sports sites that don't need to be named and I when I happen upon them, I don't take them seriously.

Latendresse mentioned that he had information that Galchenyuk was at a club, where he became so wasted that he became disoriented and couldn't even stand up anymore. At this point, two individuals intervened to pick him up and escort him out of the club while his body was limp and his head was bobbing.
I had posted about it here at the time but I remember one or two posters dismissing it as something that happens when a someone of Galchenyuk's age parties out. Turns out Tremblay wasn't the first from the mainstream media, to spill out info about Galchenyuk's excess alcoholism.

Regardless, I like many others here, hope Galchenyuk overcomes this, if he hasn't already and wish him well.

Is this what's considered Alcoholism? I mean, shit, if it is then me and about 95% of my friends and family have "alcohol problems". Who hasn't gotten that f***ed up and blacked out before? lol. Almost everyone at my University did that a couple times a year at least.

I don't think it was fair of Latendress to cite one incident and come to the conclusion that Galchenyuk has alcohol problems. Now, that's not to say he doesn't have an alcohol issues. Ive heard enough stuff about Galchenyuk and Beaulieu's escapades around Montreal to believe there might be some truth behind the rumours.

Still, if he reached out and was trying to get help and get better, then that's good on him. He shouldn't be reprimanded for that.
 
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Your above comment reminded me of what another AC member mentioned when he was a guest on 91.9 FM a few months ago.

Guillaume Latendresse was talking about Galchenyuk when he mentioned that the latter had an alcohol problem. I had not heard or read any member of the mainstream media touch upon this until Latendresse. Of course, there was plenty of innuendo and unverified and or unverifiable accounts from gossip sports sites that don't need to be named and I when I happen upon them, I don't take them seriously.

Latendresse mentioned that he had information that Galchenyuk was at a club, where he became so wasted that he became disoriented and couldn't even stand up anymore. At this point, two individuals intervened to pick him up and escort him out of the club while his body was limp and his head was bobbing. I had posted about it here at the time but I remember one or two posters dismissing it as something that happens when a someone of Galchenyuk's age parties out. Turns out Tremblay wasn't the first from the mainstream media, to spill out info about Galchenyuk's excess alcoholism.

Regardless, I like many others here, hope Galchenyuk overcomes this, if he hasn't already and wish him well.

I never heard about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen. I know some people who were partying with him and I even saw some videos, and you could see that he maybe didn't know where is limit was. In the end, what heard is that he was really sweat and didn't do anything bad per say so it doesn't matter. He can party and have fun as long as he produce on the ice or work hard for what he wants. It only shows that if he wants to succeed it's on him.

He did work hard in the gym and did seek out help, so the best may yet to come in his case. In my eyes, there will always be a market for him if the team want to trade him. Young player with some pedigree, proved he could score goals, relativly cheap contract and may cost less than what he is actually worth because of his lack of production.

I could see him traded for an other young player underachieving or even a prospect + pick (hopefully a first) if Bergevin ever felt like Galchenyuk time was done on this team,

Tho I would be surprised if Bergevin attempt an other big trade. He is already the guy who traded Subban and Sergachyev, he doesn't want to be the guy who trades Galchenyuk.
 

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And people are shocked players don't want to sign here. Partying and getting drunk is one thing, but when it's made public that you have seeked help, which should always remain private, that's some invasion of privacy. Get a life.
 

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Is this what's considered Alcoholism? I mean, ****, if it is then me and about 95% of my friends and family have "alcohol problems". Who hasn't gotten that ****ed up and blacked out before? lol. Almost everyone at my University did that a couple times a year at least.

I don't think it was fair of Latendress to cite one incident and come to the conclusion that Galchenyuk has alcohol problems. Now, that's not to say he doesn't have an alcohol issues. Ive heard enough stuff about Galchenyuk and Beaulieu's escapades around Montreal to believe there might be some truth behind the rumours.

Still, if he reached out and was trying to get help and get better, then that's good on him. He shouldn't be reprimanded for that.
Yeah, that's alcohol abuse at the very least. I did it as well when I was young and it became more and more of a problem as I got older. It is not a good feeling to not remember things you did or said the previous night. It wasn't as big of a deal when I was only responsible for myself but my reputation is now my families reputation so I simply can't "party" like I used to.
 
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I had very good info 3 years ago that prust had a very bad influence on him and he and galchenyuk were on coke....big time. My source is a bar owner in downtown and i did not believed him at the time......well..
 

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Anyways... hope Alex continues to play hard. I thought he played ok last game but was particularly impressed with his effort on the goal off Gallagher’s equally impressive effort.
 

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Rumors galore I see. What next? My Weird Addiction will air an episode on him?

I hope he gets traded, settles nicely some place else, and rips up the NHL. Piece of shit Mario Tremblay should maintain focus strictly on his own demons. Every time I hear or listen to him, I think of his swollen purplish nose.
 

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Rumors galore I see. What next? My Weird Addiction will air an episode on him?

I hope he gets traded, settles nicely some place else, and rips up the NHL. Piece of **** Mario Tremblay should maintain focus strictly on his own demons.
If the rumors are true the best thing for him would be a change of scenery. Go to a city where you don't know anyone and focus on hockey. It's one of those cases where he simply can't succeed here. Oh well, not the first time.
 

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If there's truth to Alex seeking help, good on him.

Whether true or false, I hope this motivates him to take that next step. The response I'd be looking for is a player playing with a chip on his shoulder.

And oh yea, if I'm Alex, I ask Plekanec if he can go back to wearing #35 and I can wear #14. ;)
 

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It may be simplistic but if it was wrong I would expect swift denials from the player, his agent and the team. It’s either true or it’s slander. If it’s not true why wouldn’t someone speak up?

I wouldn’t be surprised if other people have known and just not reported it. It’s a small world.

no comments is THE way to go (wither way) in Montreal. There is really no point in discussing anything personnal for the players or staff, they're aware ANY comment will make the story last longer than it should.


It's the darkest darkest day in Habs history afterall...
 

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Yiu're blaming the wrong person.

If it's supposed, as you just said, to be "confidential between the league and the player", why does Mario Tremblay know about it?
very few possibilities (assuming the story is true),
- someone in AG entourage like family/friend
- AG agent (what are the chances ?)
- teammate (can eliminate those who don't speak french, they not even know the existence of Tremblay)
- someone else in the Habs org.
- someone in charge of the program (again, what are the chances ?)
 
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very few possibilities (assimung the story is true),
- someone in AG entourage like family/friend
- AG agent (what are the chances ?)
- teammate (can eliminate those who don't speak french, they not even know the existence of Tremblay)
- someone else in the Habs org.
- someone in charge of the program (again, what are the chances ?)
Or pretty much anyone who happens to know the ins and outs of the club circuits in Montreal.

The injury he suffered last year, gave him a lot of time for extracurriculars...when he came back, he was completely out of shape (connect the dots).

While many here were lambasting the coaching staff for playing him on the 4th line...no one took the time to ask why a team in need of goals, would put such a talented player on the 4th line.

Either way, I hope this is behind him...I wouldn't want other things to surface and come to the public's attention, it doesn't serve anyone.
 

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Son Oncle Jerry posted a big hate peice that he had drummed up around the time of Galchenyuk's 23rd birthday. He cited an Instagram picture of Galchenyuk's birthday cake as the main peice of evidence behind why Galchenyuk is a **** person.

The cake had Galchenyuk's face on it and a bunch of dollar bills made of frosting. He ranted and raved up and down about what a **** guy Galchenyuk is because of that "selfish" looking cake and how it was a big hint into his personality.

Meanwhile back in reality land, Alex didn't even design the cake or even buy it. His sister designed it, bought it, and was even the one to post it on her own Instagram. It was a gift to him, and he had no prior knowledge of it before receiving it. He didn't even post it on social media.

Wow. Just f***ing wow. Nothing like truly hating on a player lol.
 
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very few possibilities (assimung the story is true),
- someone in AG entourage like family/friend
- AG agent (what are the chances ?)
- teammate (can eliminate those who don't speak french, they not even know the existence of Tremblay)
- someone else in the Habs org.
- someone in charge of the program (again, what are the chances ?)

Similarly, how did Ron Fournier happen to find out about the significant "rift in the room regarding PK Subban" the season prior to the trade? Ron Fournier's comments sparked a months long media brigade against PK which ultimately softened the blow for management when they made the colossal error of trading him. These things happen more often than we know, especially in a market like Montreal where management can be so heavily scrutinized and where the organization basically controls the francophone media.

Bergevin has had 1 trade ever been leaked during his tenure and that was because of an incompetent Toronto front office. The organization is incredibly tight lipped about everything. How does something like this get out? This is obviously purely speculation, but I get the feeling that when the francophone media leaks things like "PK is a problem in the room" or "Galchenyuk has a substance abuse problem", it's never as innocent as it seems.
 
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Or pretty much anyone who happens to know the ins and outs of the club circuits in Montreal.

The injury he suffered last year, gave him a lot of time for extracurriculars...when he came back, he was completely out of shape (connect the dots).

While many here were lambasting the coaching staff for playing him on the 4th line...no one took the time to ask why a team in need of goals, would put such a talented player on the 4th line.

Either way, I hope this is behind him...I wouldn't want other things to surface and come to the public's attention, it doesn't serve anyone.

they know Galchenyuk called "the number" of the NHL program ? ?
 
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