Gainey vs Bergevin

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Who is / was a better GM?

  1. Bob Gainey

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  2. Marc Bergevin

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  1. scrubadam

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    Ok no Markov, does that excuse MT's epic collapse with no Price? I give a point for no Markov but the habs still would of played boring uninspried hockey under Martin.

    As far as point 2 I remember back in those days and fan base/media were ecstatic to get Cunnyworth simply because he wasn't Martin. The only historical revisionism is to pretend that Martin was a beloved coach by the fan base. The guy was hated here and when he got the boot everyone was elated so much so that they were tricked into thinking Randy was an upgrade.

    Why the sudden love for Martin all of a sudden? Was his love affair for Begin, his boring defense first hockey and barely making the playoffs that enthralling? Sure he might look better than MT on the outside, but in reality both were in the same mold. Low scoring boring hockey that the fans hated.

    I am not saying MT is a genius coach, just that neither hire by either GM was some epic move and Gainey/MB's coaching choices were equally bad. Gainey promoted Julien which was a good move (then fired him which was bad). MB hired Julien a coach who won a cup and went to a final. That cancels itself out. So you are left with Martin/Carbo vs MT. I don't see how any GM wins in that fight.
     
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    At the time people were excited for Cunnyworth, they thought he would get the habs away from Martins boring defense style. Probably being English played a role too (rebel against the system right).

    Gauthier was an idiot, fired the assitant during practice. Kabrle for Spacek, and on and on. But its not like the Martin fireing was like when Jersey fired Julien while the team was in first place. The team was outside of the playoffs and had just been ousted in the first round the year before to the hated Bruins. Before that his team made the playoffs by 1 pt. Maybe if Martin isn't fired the team scrapes into the playoffs but they were in tough that year and to me at least it seemed like the team just wanted to tank it anyways and Gauthier was a dead man walking.
     
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    Gauthier wasn't trying to tank that season by firing Martin. It just turned out that way. He made the stupid Kaberle trade like a week before. He didn't decide to tank until months later when it was clear the season was down the toilet and even then all he did was unload pending UFAs.
     
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    with gainey on board...he brought back hope. He took a poor team and went all in in the centennial season. that season with the way we started...we had every reasons to believe that we may have a shot. alson with the most part of his tenure we had a fun team to watch. Gainey had his faults but atleast the guy tried and and the first time since 1993 we were in the right track
     
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    I mean the organization decided to tank. Thats why they fired Martin with being a few points out of the playoffs. I don't think they realistically thought Cunnyworth was going to turn the team around. Cynically I think they hired an english coach to turn the heat up not off.

    Firing Martin to me at least was throwing up the white flag and that day Gauthier was as good as fired himself. He was left to basically sell whatever he could and then the team was going to clean house.
     
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    lmao is this thread a joke? Gainey was miles better and it's not even close at all.
     
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    If they fired Martin later in the year I'd agree, or at least allow for it as a possibility, but the Kaberle completely removes this as a possibility. Also killing that as a possibility is the Cammalleri trade. The fact that one happened before and one happened after shows that Gauthier was still aiming for the playoffs, but he had no clue what he was doing. If they were going to torpedo the season they would have held Spacek until the deadline and moved him for a pick, and rather than trading for someone like Bourque would have targeted picks and prospects for Cammelleri.
     
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  8. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander This team has no hope, Believe me...

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    Bergevin couldn't hold Gainey's jockstrap.. way to heavy from karakter and attitude.
     
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    Prospect pool was terrible due to lack of picks too!

    I think both are struggling towards the end of their tenure.
     
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    When Gainey left, he had Pacioretty & Subban in the cupboard.
     
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    How ? Gainey was trash... both are. It's very close, but MB wins it...
     
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    Only Gallagher from the 2008-2011 4 year draft pool. Brutal! Gainey tried and it didn’t work. We were not left with much after Price, Subban, Patch and we have nothing to show for MacDonagh. Gomez is one of our worse trades in history.

    I was a fan of Gainey and he’s well respected. Bergevin is on the same path.. he’s struggling lately but the respect level is not the same. That’s what happens when you trade a popular and talented player like Subban.

    Mistakes made by both because of thirst for another cup! Both are nothing to brag about really
     
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    Gainey left in early 2010.

    When he left, Subban and Pac were rookies, Price was 22.
     
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    Ga iney was personally respected and stood up for his players. Bergevin is the polar opposite.
     
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    Houle is way worse than Bergevin.

    Also what about the Beauchemin thing?
     
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    Houle was thrown into a position he probably didn't want. His hand was forced in the Roy affair. If you listen to him talk, he sounds intelligent and coherent, not like purple pants. I'd take him back over Berg any day.
     
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    right now i would take WILLY NELSON as GM of Habs
     
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    Even Clancy Wiggum couldn't do as worse
     
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    love those days when gainey had meetings with kovalev ounce a year to step up his game and stop beeing lazy out there. Kovalev would show up like a beast the next few game.

    i wouldve love to seen how he wouldve handled the pk situation if he was still the gm
     
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    We had Robert friggin Lang as our 3rd center at some point. Our "best" center, Danault, would be a 4th line C on that team.

    Tanguay-Koivu-Kovalev
    Higgins-Plekanec-Latendresse
    A.Kostitsyn-Lang-S.Kostitsyn

    We can flame Gainey all we want for not finding a 1C either but his teams were deep.
     
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    Gainey would've showed some balls and went to bat for PK instead of throwing him under the bus like a coward.
     
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    Damage was done after Gainey tried to make our team a winner. Picks were already traded
     
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    Think I agree that Gainey would know how to treat superstar talent more than Bergevin. Bergevin screwed up big time with Subban for sure IMO
     
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    Gainey without a doubt.
     
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    Went with Gainey

    I think they both started out ok and both went Full Simple Jack when they got desperate, just Gainey had enough humility to realise he was no longer part of the solution and resigned

    MB continues to be delusional
     
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